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		<title>apparently we&#8217;re all robert spencer now, according to the weasels at &#8220;spinwatch&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we at the spittoon have for some time been a target for the not-very-impressive &#8220;spinwatch&#8221; site, which appears to be the hobby-horse of strathclyde university&#8217;s answer to bob pitt, dr david miller. dr miller, we hardly need remind you, appears to think that spittoon authors are without exception rabid &#8220;neo-cons&#8221;, by which he appears to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we at the spittoon have for some time been a target for the not-very-impressive <a href="http://www.spinwatch.org.uk/">&#8220;spinwatch&#8221;</a> site, which appears to be the hobby-horse of strathclyde university&#8217;s answer to bob pitt, dr david miller. dr miller, we hardly need remind you, appears to think that spittoon authors are without exception rabid &#8220;neo-cons&#8221;, by which he appears to mean some sort of catch-all imperialism of liberal democracy imposed by force of arms on the bucolic, picaresque and entirely pacifist natives of the middle-east and south asia. as if this wasn&#8217;t bad (or inaccurate) enough, we are also supposed to be apostles of islamophobia; apparently it isn&#8217;t clear enough to someone who is supposed to be an academic that what we oppose is the virulent political ideology known as islamism &#8211; as well as other forms of religious and political extremism; jewish, christian, atheist, muslim, ethnicity-based &#8211; we are equal-opportunity anti-extremists, or we certainly try to be.</p>
<p>the latest <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/aug/23/thinktanks-islamism-muslims-islamophobia/">blethering</a> from the egregious dr miller is that the &#8220;conservative thinktanks&#8221; policy exchange and the centre for social cohesion are soft-pedalling the racism and violence of groups like the bnp and edl because it &#8220;might deflect attention&#8221; from islamism &#8211; defined by him as:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;the catch-all term for politically active muslims&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>now i carry no particular brief for either of the thinktanks he mentions, but this is breathtakingly brazen doublespeak: come on, dr miller &#8211; everyone knows what is meant by the term &#8220;islamist&#8221;. are the muslim brotherhood, jamaat-i-islami, tablighi jamaat islamists? of course they bloody are! are the quilliam foundation, of british muslims for secular democracy &#8220;islamists&#8221;? are the muslims who work for csc or policy exchange, &#8220;islamists&#8221;? or, for that matter, the muslim authors at the spittoon? of course not. there is no reason muslims shouldn&#8217;t be politically active &#8211; either as muslims, or as british citizens, but there&#8217;s plenty of reason to be rude about people who are pushing extremist, clerical fascist, racist and homophobic agendas &#8211; unless you&#8217;re a doctrinaire leftie, that is.</p>
<p>it gets worse &#8211; dr miller now appears to be attempting to suggest that by attacks on islamists bolster islamophobia, which ultimately results in things like the breivik atrocity in norway. this is an outrageous caricature &#8211; the sort of thing we&#8217;d normally expect to see coming out of exeter, not strathclyde! as any regular reader will know, we are not exactly fans of the <a href="http://www.spittoon.org/archives/8949">bnp</a> or the <a href="http://www.spittoon.org/archives/6632">edl</a>.</p>
<p>on the other hand, as we know very well here at the spittoon, &#8220;spinwatch&#8221; is not exactly careful with its analysis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spittoon.org/archives/9428">http://www.spittoon.org/archives/9428</a></p>
<p>perhaps we should not be surprised that dr miller can&#8217;t tell the difference between islamists and liberals; it seems to be a bit of a theme on the left these days.</p>
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		<title>the big society, riots and &#8220;spiral dynamics&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[obviously, a great deal has been written about the riots to date and a great deal of predictable outpouring has also taken place. what i wanted to offer to this debate is, however, along more behavioural lines.
i have for some time been aware of the powerful analytical frameworks for bio-psycho-social systems developed by the american [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously, a great deal has been written about the riots to date and a great deal of predictable outpouring has also taken place. what i wanted to offer to this debate is, however, along more behavioural lines.</p>
<p>i have for some time been aware of the powerful analytical frameworks for bio-psycho-social systems developed by the american psychologist dr <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Graves">clare graves</a> and systematised for practical application by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Beck_(management_consultant)">don beck</a> and chris cowan in the excellent book &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spiral-Dynamics-Mastering-Values-Leadership/dp/1405133562">spiral dynamics</a>&#8221; (i&#8217;m not affiliated with anyone concerned, incidentally). at the risk of sounding like somewhat of a &#8220;fanboy&#8221;, as i believe it is called on teh interwebs, i am convinced it constitutes an important piece of intellectual real estate for the understanding of complex socio-political systems, particularly in behavioural terms.</p>
<p>you can read more about the basics of spiral dynamics <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_Dynamics">here</a> and <a href="http://www.spiraldynamics.org">here</a> - and i <span style="text-decoration: underline;">strongly</span> encourage you to do so, but perhaps the easiest way to demonstrate its unique way of enabling insight into human nature is by a review of the various behaviours that have been exhibited during the riots. in the table below you will see a number of different types of responses and the messages associated with them, which you will have seen reflected by the proponents of these value systems in the various media channels. the vast majority of these types of response can present in either healthy or unhealthy forms &#8211; thus &#8220;C-P&#8221; (&#8220;red&#8221;) behaviours and messages were used both destructively (wanton destruction) and constructively (arresting looters) &#8211; in both cases, the behaviour was the demonstration of dominance and power, with corresponding public messages (a cartmanesque &#8220;RESPECT MY AUTHORITAAH!&#8221;) sent to the media.</p>
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<td width="6%"><strong>Level</strong></td>
<td width="36%"><strong>Typical behaviours</strong></td>
<td width="56%"><strong>Messages</strong></td>
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<td width="6%"><strong> <span style="color: #ffcc99;">A-N</span></strong></td>
<td width="36%">Hide, run, instinctive fight-or-flight</td>
<td width="56%">“I’m leaving the city”, “I hope it doesn’t kick off round here”</td>
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<td width="6%"><strong> <span style="color: #800080;">B-O</span></strong></td>
<td width="36%">Find a group to protect you / back you up, go along with a group activity to show your membership, harking back to 1985 riots</td>
<td width="56%">“These aren’t people from round here”,  “We must protect our area”, ““Everyone was doing it “, “I got caught up in it”, “These people are animals, there’s something wrong with them”, “They aren’t listening to us”, “This is because  of  rich people”</td>
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<td width="6%"><strong> <span style="color: #ff0000;">C-P</span></strong></td>
<td width="36%">Opportunistic looting , running street battles, wanton destruction of property, riot policing, vigilantism, Dalston kebab shop owners, rabble-rousing</td>
<td width="56%">“These aren’t your streets, they’re MY streets”, “I got the best stuff LOL”,  “If you attack the police, expect them to respond”, “If you attack my shop / home you will not get out of here alive”, “You tink you’re a badman?”</td>
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<td width="6%"><strong> <span style="color: #0000ff;">D-Q</span></strong></td>
<td width="36%">Stand guard outside important places, vigils outside shops. Politicians recalled from holiday to show their seriousness and concern. Analyses &amp; provocations based on “political resistance”,  analyses based on breakdown of social structures, traditional family life and lack of respect for authority or law and order</td>
<td width="56%">“This is an uprising of the oppressed masses against the society that excludes them”, “If you’re  going to protest, protest for something worth protesting about”, “They protest at what we do in Iran, but look at what they’re doing in Britain”, “The heart’s been ripped out of our community”, “Law and order is breaking down”, “Capitalism / liberalism / the [x] class / politicians / human rights laws are to blame”, “This has happened on Boris’ watch”, “These firms will help you if you get nicked”</td>
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<td width="6%"><strong> <span style="color: #ff6600;">E-R</span></strong></td>
<td width="36%">Ramping up emergency responses and contingency planning in affected systems, looting-to-order for organised crime, economic analyses, copycat looting, risk management behaviours, technology solutions, political positioning for advantage and electoral gain, rhetorical “blame games”</td>
<td width="56%">“The police are busy elsewhere and there’s a Bang and Olufsen store in the Mailbox”, “This shows that the cuts are impacting front-line policing”, “Insurance bills are going to go through the roof”, “Taxpayers will end up footing the bill”, “Cut their benefits”, “Spray looters with paint so we can tell who they are”, “ID a looter”, “You would say that, because it helps you win the next election”, “We’re setting up an independent inquiry”</td>
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<td width="6%"><strong> <span style="color: #00ff00;">F-S</span></strong></td>
<td width="36%">Analyses based on exclusion from a dominant group / government cutbacks, cleanups organised through social media, police improving IPCC / community engagement, community groups/ social interventions</td>
<td width="56%">“What do you expect if you cut people’s benefits and services?” “This is resistance by people who are excluded from mainstream society”, “Young people don’t have the skills / aren’t listened to”, “I want to show my commitment to community by helping clean up”, “We need to talk to these kids and give them a stake in society”</td>
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<td width="6%"><strong> <span style="color: #ffff00;">G-T</span></strong></td>
<td width="36%">Systemic analysis and targeted responses based on where it will do the most good, considering all relevant systems, groups and behaviours</td>
<td width="56%">“If I go out there it may not do any good, but I’ll take my turn to help my friend guard his shop and take part in the clean-up”, “I’ll support X or Y initiative  in this case because it can help the system”, “There’s no one cause / simple response”</td>
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<p>you&#8217;ll see that whilst most of the operational trouble has functioned at C-P/red systems level, most of the discussion and analysis has been conducted by politicians and the media at blue (mostly &#8220;societal breakdown&#8221;, good-and-evil) orange (intellectual, opportunistic and tactical) and green (communitarian, progressive and inclusive) levels &#8211; and if the reactions are to be systematic, they will have to be a combination of green, blue and orange solutions appropriate to the situation, just as identifying looters using website photos (orange), communally organised clean-up squads (green) and attempts to strengthen traditional family structures (blue) have already been used. i note that ed miliband (who i usually have little time for) has supposedly come out against knee-jerk reactions and i think he&#8217;s correct in this at least; david cameron will not get very far if all his responses are couched in &#8220;blue&#8221; terms to appeal to the &#8220;respect for society must be restored&#8221; brigade and executed in &#8220;orange&#8221; technocratic action plans by community workers who are uncomfortable with anything which doesn&#8217;t take account of &#8220;green&#8221; inclusion. if he is serious about the &#8220;big society&#8221;, he will need to understand that the big society needs *all* these things, it is not a blue, orange or green concept, just as it needs &#8220;red&#8221; defences and alternative &#8220;purple&#8221; clan and kin affiliations than those of gang, patois and skin colour &#8211; and that includes the purple affiliations of the non-rioters, too! the &#8220;big society&#8221; could be second-order policy thinking and leadership, but that needs a shift in both our understanding of the situation and the strategies we use to manage it.</p>
<p>in all these cases i would say: if you want to find a constructive, insightful way of discussing the value systems that led to the events of the last couple of weeks, you would do worse than to look at how spiral dynamics sheds light on the tensions, relationships, structures and messages involved.</p>
<p>all comment and discussion welcome.</p>
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		<title>more precision needed &#8211; and include me out!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from the excellent-but-ferocious ophelia benson at butterflies and wheels:
&#8220;More precision needed. There should be a stamp for that. MPN should be like LOL or TMI.&#8221;
i agree. what narks me somewhat (and no doubt there are all sorts of reasons why i am wrong about this) is that this is *precisely* what bothers me about statements [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the excellent-but-ferocious ophelia benson at <a href="http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2011/everybody-is-exactly-the-same/">butterflies and wheels</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;More precision needed. There should be a stamp for that. MPN should be like LOL or TMI.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>i agree. what narks me somewhat (and no doubt there are all sorts of reasons why i am wrong about this) is that this is *precisely* what bothers me about statements about a) religious people and b) the tendentious-as-feck word &#8220;judeo-christian&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;But there again – that’s a matter of fact, not something that can just be declared from the armchair as if it were self-evident. Are Muslims as “diverse” as any other group of people living in the UK? Are all groups living in the UK exactly as diverse as each other, neither more nor less? I don’t see why that would be the case. It’s certainly not impossible that there is something about Islam and/or the history of people who emigrate from majority-Muslim countries that makes Muslims as a group tend to be different from other people as groups, including being less “diverse.” That’s something to find out, not just to announce as a necessary truth. Or a sacred cow…&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>i would argue that this is exactly what annoys me about statements about religious people in which jews and judaism are included. jews in the uk are *extremely* diverse &#8211; this is an ongoing issue which pops up every time someone decides to say something about how we have a monolithic view, or &#8220;the community thinks&#8221;. in fact, the community, generally speaking, disagrees on nearly everything. on the other hand, it seems to me that the idea that muslims are somehow less diverse is equally mistaken. on the other hand, i am often attacked for suggesting that there is a &#8220;significant minority&#8221; (i usually quote 13%, based on a survey done some years back for channel 4) that are problematic particularly if you look at what they think about jews. the *real numbers* that can be attached to this, in this case 260,000 based on 2m muslims (again, if that&#8217;s correct) is still a very large number compared to the number of jews in this country. in other words, it is nonetheless possible that a) muslims are not monolithic in their views AND b) there is a significant minority of muslims whose views are problematic &#8211; and that one can therefore conclude that this minority is big enough to cause a sizeable problem. please note here that i am not intending to essentialise, demonise or whatever. this is just a numbers game. if 13% of these guys are arseheads, 13% of 2m people adds up to a LOT more arseheads than the corresponding number of jews, especially given that there is no evidence whatsoever that a &#8220;significant number of jews&#8221; hold views that are problematic for a) the UK b) liberal democracy or c) muslims. on the other hand, there *are*, i would say, a &#8220;significant number of jews&#8221; whose views on the middle east are problematic for a &#8220;significant number of so-called &#8216;progressives&#8217; and muslims and people in the house of lords or the foreign office&#8221;. this, for me, is the source of the false equivalences.</p>
<p>the below the line comments are also quite revealing of the issues that are raised.</p>
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		<title>The Appeasers of Ratko Mladic</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article by Ben Cohen is cross-posted for the benefit of the &#8220;liberal&#8221; left, the inveterate Chomkyists and the self-loathing Islamists who opposed the bombing of Serbia by Nato forces in 1999, because they regarded then and still do now, that adopting an anti-American stance was more important than the humanitarian intervention which stopped the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This article by Ben Cohen is <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-appeasers-of-ratko-mladic/">cross-posted</a> for the benefit of the &#8220;liberal&#8221; left, the inveterate Chomkyists and the self-loathing Islamists who opposed the bombing of Serbia by Nato forces in 1999, because they regarded then and still do now, that adopting an anti-American stance was more important than the humanitarian intervention which stopped the genocide of Bosnian Muslims. </strong></p>
<hr />As it turns out, this has been a stand-out month in the battle against evil. First, there was the killing of Osama bin Laden. Now, finally, the capture of the fugitive Serb war criminal, Ratko Mladic.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 634px"><img class=" " src="http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/53018000/jpg/_53018004_mladic.jpg" alt="" width="624" height="350" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The far-left&#39;s favourite genocidaire</p></div>
<p>In 1994, I was a fairly junior media relations officer with the United Nations Protection Force (UNPROFOR), deployed in midst of the war in the former Yugoslavia. It was a time when Mladic was at the height of his powers, able to control the flow of aid into besieged Sarajevo with the imperious ease of a man turning a faucet on and off. Mladic’s strategy of squeezing, expelling, and murdering his largely Bosnian Muslim victims — known locally as “Bosniaks,” a term denoting an identity that is more national than religious — made a mockery of the UN operation.</p>
<p>The six towns and cities designated by the UN as “safe areas” ended up becoming the most dangerous places in Bosnia. Srebrenica, the place where Mladic’s forces carried out a massacre of 8,000 Bosnian men and boys in 1995, dumping the dead bodies into mass graves, was one of those “safe areas.”</p>
<p>In the hours that followed Mladic’s arrest, media coverage focused on the consequences for Serbia, pointing out that a major obstacle to the country’s integration into the European Union had now been lifted. My attention, though, was fixed on the past — specifically, upon the blatant appeasement of Mladic and his backer in Belgrade, the late, unlamented Slobodan Milosevic, that I encountered first-hand at the UN.</p>
<p>A number of fine scholars, notably <a href="http://www.bosnia.org.uk/about/bi_books/full_reviews.cfm?ID=67">Noel Malcolm</a> and <a href="http://www.richmondreview.co.uk/books/unfinesthour.html">Brendan Simms</a>, have traced in careful detail the evolution of a British-French-Russian axis of appeasement that set the tone for the UN’s role in Bosnia. The British foreign secretary at the time, Douglas Hurd, was a notorious proponent of the notion that Yugoslavia, in its first iteration as the kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, and then in its remaking under Tito’s communist regime, was little more than a seething cauldron of inter-ethnic hatreds. This theory, in which everyone and no one was responsible for the slaughter which followed Yugoslavia’s disintegration, could lead to only one conclusion: let them get on with killing each other. This was music to the ears of the Serb ultranationalists, who worked diligently with their Croatian equivalents on a plan to <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/64411/">carve up</a> Bosnia.</p>
<p>On the ground, one individual personified the appeasement approach: the British General Sir Michael Rose, who was UNPROFOR’s commander in Sarajevo. At UNPROFOR headquarters, stories of Rose’s gruff impatience with the pesky Bosnian refusal to roll over and die were legion. Rose detested the Americans too, for their impertinent insistence that the systematic abuse of human rights by Serb forces was a critical policy consideration. A widely circulated <a href="http://balkansentry.com/2010/04/05/mladic/">photograph</a> of Rose shaking hands with Mladic, both of them grinning like old friends, said it all.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 586px"><img class=" " src="http://balkansentry.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/general-sir-michael-rose-and-general-ratko-mladic.jpg?w=640&amp;h=392&amp;crop=1" alt="" width="576" height="353" /><p class="wp-caption-text">General Sir Michael Rose at ease with Mladic</p></div>
<p>By the time the Dayton Accords ended the Bosnian war a few months after the Srebrenica massacre, Rose’s craven approach had been somewhat eclipsed (Rose himself had already been succeeded by another British general, Rupert Smith.) Nonetheless, the core principle that informed the appeasement policy in Bosnia — treating a brutal dictatorship as just another government with full sovereign rights — was to enjoy a new lease of life in the policy clash that followed the 9/11 atrocities.</p>
<p>In that regard, there’s one juicy detail that deserves highlighting again and again. Several individuals who now present themselves as the defenders of Muslim rage against Western encroachment were, during the Bosnian war and later in Kosovo, utterly contemptuous of the plight of Balkan Muslims.</p>
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		<title>The Heretics</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 12:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is related that Imam al-Ghazali was invited one day to an assembly of jurists, whose chief said to him:
&#8216;You are a learned man, as we are also from among the learned. Therefore humbler folk come to you to seek interpretations of the Sharia, the Holy Law. It has been reported to us that you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is related that Imam al-Ghazali was invited one day to an assembly of jurists, whose chief said to him:</p>
<p>&#8216;You are a learned man, as we are also from among the learned. Therefore humbler folk come to you to seek interpretations of the Sharia, the Holy Law. It has been reported to us that you have advised some these people not to observe the fast during the month of Ramadan. You are also said to have stated that certain people should not make the pilgramage to Mecca. Others have averred that you have reprimanded people for saying, &#8220;There is no God but Allah&#8221;. Such mischevious words, if true, are proof to us of infidelity. Only your reputation has so far proteced you from death for apostasy. The people have a right to be protected from such as you.</p>
<p>Ghazali sighed and answered:</p>
<p>&#8216;The Holy Law of Islam itself says that people who are not of a full understanding of the Law and what it means are not culpable under that Law, nor subject to its rules. These include children and imbeciles, but must also include those bereft of understanding. If a man does not perceive the inner reality of fasting, or goes on a pilgramage only to suffer, or says the Confession of Faith and has no faith, he is bereft of understanding, and should not be encouraged to continue, but must be put on the road to understanding. The people, in your words, have the right to be protected from such as you, who would reward them for no merit and persecute them for no crime.</p>
<p>&#8216;If a man cannot walk by reason of having a lame leg, do you tell him to walk, or do you give him a crutch or heal the affliction?</p>
<p>&#8216;It is due to his foretelling of the appearance of such as you that the Prophet has said: &#8220;Islam came as a stranger and it will depart as a stranger.&#8221; Understanding the meaning of things is beyond your intention, your training and your capacity. That is why there is nothing left to you but to threaten people with death for apostasy. And yet it is not I who am the apostate, but you.&#8217;</p>
<p><em>- From &#8220;Seeker After Truth&#8221;, by Idries Shah</em></p>
<p>hat/tip: Abu Yusuf</p>
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		<title>Extra! Extra! Mullah Omar arrested in Pakistan</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/9526</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 09:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nadeem Paracha does satire so well, we would like to see him do more.  This is a cross-post by Nadeem from the Dawn

ISLAMABAD: In a daring raid, Saudi Special Forces arrested renegade Afghan leader, Mullah Omar, from a famous five-star hotel located in one of Pakistan’s most popular vacation spots – Bhurban.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Nadeem Paracha does satire so well, we would like to see him do more.  This is a <a href="http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/13/extra-extra-mullah-omar-arrested-in-pakistan.html">cross-post</a> by Nadeem from the Dawn</strong></p>
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<p>ISLAMABAD: In a daring raid, Saudi Special Forces arrested renegade Afghan leader, Mullah Omar, from a famous five-star hotel located in one of Pakistan’s most popular vacation spots – Bhurban.</p>
<p>The news spread like wildfire and people were seen cursing the Pakistani government for allowing the Americans to undermine Pakistan’s sovereignty – again.</p>
<p>However, when it became clear that the raid was not conducted by the Americans but the Saudis, the frowns turned into smiles and many were heard saying, ‘<em>Jazzakallah</em>!’</p>
<p>Only minutes after the raid, Pakistan’s prime minister and Army Chief appeared on state-owned television and congratulated the nation and thanked the Saudi regime for helping Pakistan in its war against terror.</p>
<p>Interestingly, religious parties like Jamaat-i-Islami, (JI) Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI) and some banned sectarian organisations, along with Imran Khan’s Pakistan Thereek-i-Insaf (PTI) which had originally called a joint press conference to condemn the raid, changed their stance half-way through the conference when told that the raid was by Saudi forces and not the Americans.</p>
<p>Munawar Hussain, JI, chief, was first heard lambasting Pakistan’s PPP-led civilian government for letting the country’s sovereignty be violated by the Americans, but after a reporter confirmed that the raid was executed by Saudi forces, Munawar turned to Imran Khan and embraced him.</p>
<p><em>‘Mahshallah!’ </em>he exclaimed.<em> </em>“Today is a glorious day for our Islamic republic!”</p>
<p>Imran Khan and JUI chief Fazalur Rehman had earlier questioned the real identity of the man arrested from the five-star hotel, saying that even if it was Mullah Omar, we should be ashamed because Omar was a freedom fighter, conducting a liberation war against the Americans.</p>
<p>However, after it became clear that the arrest was made by Saudi forces, both Imran and Fazal then claimed that Mullah Omar was no friend of Pakistan and that he was not even a Muslim.</p>
<p>In a joint statement, JI, JUI and PTI, congratulated the nation and said that they had been saying all along that the Taliban were Pakistan’s greatest enemies and should be exterminated.</p>
<p>The statement also said that the PTI and JI will continue to hold sit-ins against American drones which were parachuting evil men like Mullah Omar into Pakistan and violating the sovereignty of the country. For this, the statement suggested, that Ahmad Shah Abdali should be invited to invade Pakistan and defeat the Americans.</p>
<p>When told that Abdali died almost two hundred years ago, PTI and JI termed this to be nothing more than western propaganda.</p>
<p>Imran Khan added, that from now on he should be addressed as Imran of Ghaznavi and that one of Pakistan’s most prominent revolutionary and youngest nuclear physicists, Zohair Toru, was building anti-drone missiles.</p>
<p>Toru, who was also present at the conference, confirmed this while licking a lemon flavoured popsicle. He said it was a very hot day and popsicles helped him concentrate.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, a military spokesman also held a press conference to give the media a briefing on the details of the raid.</p>
<p>He said the raid was executed by Saudi Special Forces who came from Saudi military bases in Riyadh.</p>
<p>The helicopters then landed on Margala Hills in Islamabad. On the lush hills, Saudi soldiers disembarked from the copters, got on camels and rode all the way to Bhurban in broad daylight.</p>
<p>They were twice stopped at checkpoints by Pakistani Rangers but were allowed to cross when some Saudi soldiers said something to the rangers in Arabic. It is believed that the Saudis promised the Rangers jobs in Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>An eyewitness claims the Rangers smiled and waved to the departing camels, cheering <em>‘marhaba, marhaba.’</em></p>
<p>The camel army reached the five-star hotel in Bhurban at 11:00 am and right away rode their way into the sprawling premises.</p>
<p>The camels were also carrying rocket launchers, sub-machineguns, pistols, grenades and popcorn, all concealed in large ‘<em>Dubai Duty Free’</em> shopping bags.</p>
<p>The military spokesman added that although the Pakistan Army had no clue about the raid, there were a dozen or so Pakistani military personnel present at the hotel.</p>
<p>When asked whether these men questioned the camel riders, the spokesman said that they did see the armed camels enter the hotel but the military men were at the time more interested in interrogating a 77-year-old Caucasian male whom they had arrested for smoking in a non-smoking area.</p>
<p>“After the Abbottabad incident, we are keeping a firm eye on Europeans and Americans,” the spokesman said.</p>
<p>Even though the white man turned out to be an old Polish tourist, the spokesman praised the military men’s vigilance. “Our country’s sovereignty is sacred,” he added.</p>
<p>According to the Pakistan military, the Saudis then rode their camels into one of the hotel’s kitchens and fired teargas shells.</p>
<p>This way they smoked out the chefs and their staff out into the open. From these, a Saudi commander got hold of a one-eyed chef with an untidy beard.</p>
<p>The Saudi commander looked at the chef and compared his face to a photograph he was carrying. He asked: ‘Al-Mullah-ul-Omar?’ To which the chef was reported to have said: “No, al-chicken jalfrezi. Also make very tasty mutton kebabs.”</p>
<p>The commander then asked, ‘Al-Afghani?’ to which the chef said, “Yes make Afghani tikka too. You want?”</p>
<p>A reporter asked the military spokesman whether the Pakistani military men present at the hotel witnessed the operation. The spokesman answered in affirmative but said they didn’t take any action after confirming that Pakistan’s sovereignty was not being violated.</p>
<p>The reporter then asked how the military men determined that Pakistan’s sovereignty was not being violated. Answering this, the spokesman said that since the camel riders were speaking Arabic there was thus no reason for the military to charge them with violating Pakistan’s sovereignty.</p>
<p>This statement made the media men at the press conference very happy and they consequently began applauding and raising emotional slogans praising Islam, ISI and palm trees.</p>
<p>Soon after the announcement that Mullah Omar was arrested by Saudi forces, the country’s private TV channels became animated. One famous TV talk-show host actually decided to host his show in a Bedouin tent. Instead of a chair, he sat on a camel wearing a Pakistan Army uniform.</p>
<p>Though most of his guests — that included prominent ex-generals, clergymen and strategic analysts — praised the operation and heaped scorn at Mullah Omar, there was one guest, a small-time journalist, who disagreed with the panelists.</p>
<p>He asked how a wanted man like Mullah Omar was able to live in Pakistan undetected and that too while working as a chef in a famous five-star hotel. He also said that Mullah Omar had also been appearing on various cooking shows as a chef on various food channels.</p>
<p>To this, the host snubbed the journalist telling him that he was asking irrelevant questions.</p>
<p>‘But before this operation, everyone was supporting the Taliban and telling us they were fighting a liberation war against the Americans,’ the journalist protested.</p>
<p>‘No,’ said the host, ‘it was the civilian government that was in cahoots with the Taliban. It should resign.’</p>
<p>‘No,’ the journalist replied, ‘it was our agencies!’</p>
<p>This made the host angry and he slapped the journalist. He threatened the journalist by saying that he would lodge a case against him in accordance with the Islamic hudood ordinance.</p>
<p>The journalist responded by saying that the Saudis had violated Pakistan’s sovereignty. Hearing this, the host slapped the journalist again, saying he will get him booked for blasphemy.</p>
<p>At the end of the show the host and the panelists burned an American flag and sang the Pakistani national anthem in Arabic. Then, after handing over the treacherous journalist to the authorities, they proceeded to Saudi Arabia to perform <em>hajj.</em></p>
<p>However, they were soon deported by the Saudi regime for violating Saudi sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>Liberal Hangup?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 13:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan Friedland on the Goldstone Report furore which ultimately is a obsession which occludes other issues which are as worthy of the world&#8217;s attention as Israel/Palestine. If this a notion that is worth repeating it is most certainly worth repeating on the Guardian.
Many respectable folks have spent decades insisting that the &#8220;core issue&#8221; in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Friedland on the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/06/goldstone-report-israel-palestine">Goldstone Report</a> furore which ultimately is a obsession which occludes other issues which are as worthy of the world&#8217;s attention as Israel/Palestine. If this a notion that is worth repeating it is most certainly worth repeating on the Guardian.</p>
<blockquote><p>Many respectable folks have spent decades insisting that the &#8220;core issue&#8221; in the Middle East, if not the world, is the Israel-Palestine conflict – that it is the &#8220;running sore&#8221; whose eventual healing will heal the wider region and beyond.</p>
<p>That was always gold-plated nonsense, but now the Arab spring has come along to prove it. Now the world can see that the peoples of Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Yemen, Syria and Bahrain have troubles aplenty that have nothing to do with Israel. There could be peace between Israelis and Palestinians tomorrow, but it wouldn&#8217;t relieve those in Damascus or Manama or Sana&#8217;a from the yoke of tyranny. For them, Israel is not &#8220;the heart of the matter&#8221;, as the cliche always insisted it was. The heart of the matter are the regimes who have oppressed them day in, day out, for 40 years or more.</p>
<p>Yet it is not the suffering of these hundreds of millions of Arabs which has attracted the sympathy of the UN Human Rights Council. Nor has it stirred the compassion of left-leaning liberal types who pride themselves on thei r care for the oppressed. Few places get them excited the way Israel does.</p>
<p>So in 2009 Sri Lanka could kill between 7,000 and 20,000 civilians, displacing 300,000 more in its bombardment of the Tamils at about the same time as the Gaza conflict – but you will search in vain for the Goldstone report into Sri Lankan war crimes. Nor will you find Caryl Churchill writing a play called Seven Sri Lankan Children – asking what exactly is it in the Sri Lankan mentality that allows them to be so brutal.</p>
<p>There is no Goldstone or Churchill to probe the 4 million deaths in the Congo, the slaughtered in Darfur or the murdered in the Ivory Coast, let alone the civilian deaths inflicted by the US and Britain in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one is proposing an academic boycott of those nations or any of the other serial violators of human rights. Tellingly, two members of the four-person board of the LSE&#8217;s Middle East Centre are firm advocates of cutting all scholarly ties to Israel – but were only too happy for the college to receive £1.5m from the Gaddafi family.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Lambert: So Wrong On So Many Levels</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 09:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob Lambert came out fighting with a desperate piece in defence of his disastrous thesis, which is unconvincing from the start:
As a result of Cameron&#8217;s new policy, several Muslims who al-Qaida strategists regard as serious and credible opponents in the battle for young hearts and minds will be hampered in their important counter-terrorism work. Fortunately, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Lambert came out fighting with a <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/08/david-cameron-crackdown-extremism">desperate piece</a> in defence of his disastrous thesis, which is unconvincing from the start:</p>
<blockquote><p>As a result of Cameron&#8217;s new policy, several Muslims who al-Qaida strategists regard as serious and credible opponents in the battle for young hearts and minds will be hampered in their important counter-terrorism work. Fortunately, Cameron&#8217;s decision to deny effective Muslim community initiatives legitimacy and funding will not entirely halt effective grassroots work against al-Qaida influence but it will reduce its scale and impact. It will also make life difficult for local partnerships where Muslim community groups are branded extremist and subversive by the government. As a consequence, trust and mutual respect between police and Muslim community projects will be replaced by relationships of control and distrust, or no relationships at all – both outcomes serving al-Qaida better than counter-terrorism.</p>
<p>Effective opponents of al-Qaida need street credibility: that invariably entails maintaining the same robust opposition to the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; as to al-Qaida terrorism. For example, significant al Qaida influence in and around the Finsbury Park mosque in north London has been successfully tackled by credible Muslims who have also been at the forefront of the anti-war and anti-racist movements. Whereas the area was once dominated by Abu Hamza&#8217;s pro-al-Qaida propaganda it has been replaced by youth work that has allowed former al-Qaida supporters to become responsible citizens.</p>
<p>This is brave, dangerous and demanding work that deserves recognition. It has been accompanied by equally effective work against street crime and antisocial behaviour. While local MP Jeremy Corbyn and local police support such work, Cameron looks set to reclassify it as extremist and subversive.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some observations arise from this:</p>
<p>Patronage of the so-called &#8216;non-violent&#8217; extremists, such as salafi jihadis and other strains of radical Islam, as a &#8220;bulwark&#8221; against violent jihadi terrorism is not only ridiculous, the results are non-deterministic, while doing nothing to reduce, and actually benefits from, the fissures within the Islamic community.</p>
<p>The bugbear of Britain&#8217;s foreign policy is shared by most Muslims however it does not logically follow that most Muslims form non-violent radical groups to oppose  al-Qaeda operatives either. Muslim hearts and minds will not be won over to supporting Britain&#8217;s foreign policy history by making non-violent jihadism the dominant narrative.</p>
<p>Terrorism when used as a tool for &#8220;defensive jihad&#8221; in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan is seen as a violent struggle against oppressive regimes is praised as an action of worship, politically justified and wholly Islamic by even the most non-violent salafi even if submit to the non-political aspect of salafi doctrine. Why would the Luton salafis work with &#8220;government stooges&#8221; generated by Bob Lambert&#8217;s <a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/02/edl-islam-luton-muslims">scheme</a> of counter-terrorism?</p>
<p>Who exactly are these Muslims who he says are winning the hearts and minds of Muslims, of whom Lambert says: &#8220;al-Qaida strategists regard as serious and credible opponents in the battle for young hearts and minds&#8221;. How do these Muslims fit into his fairy tale world of compliant &#8220;anti-jihadi non-violent extremists&#8221;?</p>
<p>Lambert decided not to use the space afforded to him on the Guardian to make his case easier to believe. Nor did he use the <a href="http://www.thecordobafoundation.com/attach/Islamophobia%20Report.PDF">report</a> authored by his European Muslim Research Centre the at the University of Exeter to to delve into the minutiae of his thesis. Instead he used both to score cheap political points and to malign and attack Muslim individuals who are producing work of real value in the counter-terrorism space. He does the same again in this nasty diatribe in the Guardian.</p>
<p>There is no theory to be had here. Mr Lambert&#8217;s project at the EMRC is politically aligned to Islamist interests, being funded by the Cordoba Foundation. Lambert&#8217;s ideas on &#8220;counter-terrorism&#8221; wich underpin the &#8220;academic&#8221; output of the EMRC amounts to little more than promoting and feting the jihadist causes based in the UK while ensuring that their Muslim detractors are marginalized and the non-Muslims tainted as racists and &#8220;Islamophobes&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, Lambertism calls itself a strategy for counter-terrorism and anti-racism. But if you look at the people Mr Lambert is in partnership with you quickly realise it is, in reality, little more than a political strategy.</p>
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		<title>Tony Blair: Save Hosni Mubarak!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 00:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tony Blair, who convinced the world to oust Saddam Hussain, an autocratic dictator of a totalitarian state, said this of Hosni Mubarak, another autocratic dictator of a totalitarian state:
&#8220;I&#8217;ve worked with him on the Middle East peace process between the Israelis and the Palestinians so this is somebody I&#8217;m constantly in contact with and working [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_8982" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 604px"><a href="http://www.spittoon.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/blairmubarak.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-8982" title="blairmubarak" src="http://www.spittoon.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/blairmubarak.jpg" alt="" width="594" height="410" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">&quot;You&#39;re not like those other ragheads, Hosni. You&#39;re alright!&quot;</p></div>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/02/tony-blair-mubarak-courageous-force-for-good-egypt" target="_blank">Tony Blair</a>, who convinced the world to oust Saddam Hussain, an autocratic dictator of a totalitarian state, said this of Hosni Mubarak, another autocratic dictator of a totalitarian state:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve worked with him on the Middle East peace process between the Israelis and the Palestinians so this is somebody I&#8217;m constantly in contact with and working with and on that issue, I have to say, he&#8217;s been immensely courageous and a force for good,&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean this kind of &#8220;<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/02/egypt-revolution-turns-ugly" target="_blank">immensely courageous force for good</a>&#8220;, Tony?</p>
<p>And this is what he had this to say of holding <em>democratic</em> elections in Egypt that could result in the election of the Muslim Brotherhood:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a majority for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. On the other hand, what you&#8217;ve got to watch is that they are extremely well-organised and well-funded whereas those people who are out on the street at the moment, many of them will be extremely well-intentioned people but they&#8217;re not organised in political parties yet. So one of the issues in the transition is to give time for those political parties to get themselves properly organised,&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This coming from the man who was so keen to bring democracy to Iraq by &#8220;regime change&#8221;, a pithy euphemism for a disastrous military campaign that has exacerbated problems in the Middle East beyond reckoning. What an utterly shameful, moral relativism from a putative champion of democracy. You&#8217;d almost think that he thought Egyptians didn&#8217;t deserve a democracy that hadn&#8217;t been bombed into them first.</p>
<p>Here is some advice to the Middle East Peace Envoy &#8211; <a href="http://sarthanapalos.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/a-guide-how-not-to-say-stupid-stuff-about-egypt/">how to avoid saying stupid things</a> about the Egyptian uprising. In particular, this one about electing the Muslim Brotherhood:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If they get Democracy they will elect extremists&#8221;.  Imagine if the world said that about America.  The Tea Party threatens world stability, as did the Bush administration.  How would you like if others used that as a threat to support an autocrat who made all opposing parties illegal?  In truth, US politics threaten world stability more than Egypt does.  Second, the implication is that democracy is not to be trusted in the hands of “certain” nations, people and religions is offensive, racist and ignorant.  You do not claim to value human rights, democracy and freedom and then you make exclusions based on race, nationality and religion.  Don’t say this shit.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Paedophilia and First Cousin Marriage: Correlation as Cause</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/8963</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 22:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Labour Peer, Lord Ahmed said that Asian men target and groom underage white girls for sex because the men are the unfortunate victims of unhappy and forced first-cousin marriage:
&#8220;They are forced into marriages and they are not happy.
&#8220;They are married to girls from overseas who they don&#8217;t have anything in common with, and they have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour Peer, Lord Ahmed <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8291361/Asian-men-who-groom-young-girls-frustrated-by-arranged-marriages-peer-warns.html">said</a> that Asian men target and groom underage white girls for sex because the men are the unfortunate victims of unhappy and forced first-cousin marriage:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;They are forced into marriages and they are not happy.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are married to girls from overseas who they don&#8217;t have anything in common with, and they have children and a family.<br />
&#8220;But they are looking for fun in their sexual activities and seek out vulnerable girls.</p>
<p>&#8220;I get a lot of criticism from Asian people who ask, &#8216;How can you say this about Asian men?&#8217; But they must wake up and realise there is a problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>He added: &#8220;While I respect individual choice, I think the community needs to look at marriages in the UK rather than cousin marriages or economic marriages from abroad.</p>
<p>‘I am deeply worried about this as it has happened in my own backyard, and in Rochdale and Bradford. This didn’t happen in my or my father’s generation. This is happening among young Asians.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lord Ahmed has here taken two phenomena: (a) the <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8248976/Sexual-teenage-grooming-being-investigated-by-specialist-child-abuse-unit.html" target="_blank">increased frequency</a> of Pakistani men who have been charged with offences related to on-street grooming of white girls aged 11 to 16 and (b) the fact that 55% of British Pakistanis are <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm">married to first cousins</a>, formulated a positive correlation between the two and asserted that the second is the cause of the first.</p>
<p>To be fair to Lord Ahmed, he has, at least, faced up to the systematic pattern of on-street grooming by Pakistani men for child-sex and acknowledged the high frequency of first cousin marriage in the Pakistani community. Kudos for trying to kill two birds with one stone by linking the two, but unfortunately he cites no studies or evidence to back him up. This leaves an undeniably creepy feeling that his thesis is an attempt to excuse paedophiles with a spurious pretext for their crimes &#8211; because the perpetrators are predominantly Pakistani men.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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For those British students who were getting too enthusiastic to appear before Press TV and describe UK police brutality, this is police brutality in the state which funds Press TV:

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<p>For those British students who were getting too enthusiastic to appear before Press TV and describe UK police brutality, this is police brutality in the state which funds Press TV:</p>
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		<title>Get Over the Quran Burning</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a cross-post by Asma Q. Nomani from the Beast
On the plan to burn Qurans this weekend, I say to Muslims: Let&#8217;s get over the symbolic insult and deal with the very real issues of literal interpretations of the Quran that are used to sanction domestic violence, terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings in the [...]]]></description>
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<hr />On the <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100908/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning" target="_blank">plan to burn Qurans</a> this weekend, I say to Muslims: Let&#8217;s get over the symbolic insult and deal with the very real issues of literal interpretations of the Quran that are used to sanction domestic violence, terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings in the name of Islam.</p>
<p>Gen. David Petraeus has weighed in, saying that the planned burnings by the <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-07/terry-jones-pastor-who-want-to-burn-qurans/" target="_blank">Rev. Terry Jones</a>&#8216; congregation in Florida will endanger U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan. But I believe that there is something that endangers Americans and American soldiers even more: certain passages that—when read literally—pit Muslims against Americans and the West.</p>
<blockquote><p>We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven&#8217;t dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can&#8217;t be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it&#8217;s OK to kill converts from Islam.</p>
<p>We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.</p>
<p>The Christian faith had to deal with problematic verses from the Book of Deuteronomy that sanctioned violence. Jews have had to confront rigid readings of the Old Testament that sanctioned stonings. Muslims, too, must re-interpret verses that aren&#8217;t compatible with life in the 21st century.</p>
<p>Look at one literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Quran, An-Nisa, or Women. &#8220;[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them,&#8221; reads one widely accepted translation. Based on a literal reading, Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha concludes that when dealing with a “disobedient wife,” a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of “the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam.” If that doesn&#8217;t work, he can “leave the wife&#8217;s bed.” Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”</p>
<p>Such appalling recommendations occur because we haven&#8217;t yet universally drawn a line in the sand, as Muslims, and said that this verse may have been progressive for the seventh century when women were supposedly beaten indiscriminately, but it isn&#8217;t compatible with the modern day, if read literally. Instead, we do something called the &#8220;4:34 dance,&#8221; suggesting that the light beating be the result of everything from hitting a woman with noodles (yes, you read that right) to a traditional toothbrush, called a “miswak,” from the root of a plant.</p>
<p>The kidnapping and killing of my friend and colleague Daniel Pearl in 2002 forced me to confront the link between literalist interpretations of the Quran and their role in sanctioning violence in the world. For critics of Islam, these verses are the smoking gun that proves that Islam is intrinsically violent. These are verses such as At-Tauba (“The Repentance”) 9:5, which states that Muslims should “slay the pagans wherever ye find them” or Al-Mâ&#8217;idah (“The Table Spread with Food”) 5:51, which reads, “Take not the Jews and Christians as friends.”</p>
<p>We need to reject literal reads of the Quran and recognize that these verses were communicated during specific moments of war, and they aren&#8217;t edicts for all time. We, as Muslims, must reject the notion that we read these words literally. To many, that would be an act of blasphemy. But, until we do, the literal words of the Quran will be used to rally hate against the faith. And that is why, indeed, Qurans will be burned by the small congregation of about 50 folks from the <a href="http://www.doveworld.org/" target="_blank">Rev. Terry Jones&#8217; Dove World Outreach Center</a>. It&#8217;s really just these particular verses that need to go up in smoke.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.asranomani.com/" target="_blank">Asra Q. Nomani</a> is the author of </em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060832975/thedaibea-20/" target="_blank">Standing Alone: An American Woman&#8217;s Struggle for the Soul of Islam</a><em>. She is co-director of the <a href="http://scs.georgetown.edu/pearlproject/" target="_blank">Pearl Project</a>, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women&#8217;s rights at her mosque in W.V. is the subject of a PBS documentary, </em><a href="http://www.themosqueinmorgantown.com/MIM/The_Mosque_in_Morgantown.html" target="_blank">The Mosque in Morgantown</a><em>. She recently published a monograph, <em>Milestones for a Spiritual Jihad: Toward an Islam of Grace</em>. <a href="mailto:asra@asranomani.com">asra@asranomani.com</a></em></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a cross-post by Kenan Malik
In his bestselling book America Alone, the Canadian writer Mark Steyn fantasises about the state of Europe in 2020. The Islamists have stormed to power right across the continent. No English pub can sell alcohol. Holland’s gay clubs have been relocated to San Francisco. And every French woman is [...]]]></description>
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<hr />In his bestselling book <em>America Alone,</em> the Canadian writer Mark Steyn fantasises about the state of Europe in 2020. The Islamists have stormed to power right across the continent. No English pub can sell alcohol. Holland’s gay clubs have been relocated to San Francisco. And every French woman is forced to be veiled.</p>
<p>The fashion police, at least, have already arrived, a decade early and without any help from Islamists. But rather than forcing women to wear the burqa or niqab, their job is to force them not to. Earlier this month Italian police in the northern city of Novara <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7115756.ece','timesnovara','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">fined a Tunisian immigrant</a>, Amel Marmouri, €500 for being veiled in a post office. Belgian police are likely to be doing the same after the Brussels parliament outlawed the burqa. France expects to pass a similar law by the autumn. Holland could follow suit. The Spanish city of <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://beta.catalannewsagency.com/tabid/78/ID/328/Lleida-City-Council-bans-burqa-in-municipal-buildings.aspx','lleida','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:">Lleida has forbidden the burqa</a> in public buildings; the Minister of Labour and Immigration Celestino Corbacho has hinted at a national ban. In Canada, the Quebec government has <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Quebec+lifts+face+veil/2722779/story.html','bill94','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">drafted an anti-burqa law</a>. Australian politicians are demanding one too.</p>
<p>The rhetoric accompanying the bans has been as gushing as the oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico. Jean-Francois Copé, leader of the majority UNP party in French National Assembly, has talked of <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/opinion/05cope.html','copenyt','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">‘a reaffirmation of our ideals of liberty and fraternity’</a>. For the French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy, the bans are nothing less than a ‘defence of the Enlightenment’. According to Celestino Corbacho without a burqa ban it would not be possible to protect ‘the values of our society’.</p>
<p>There is certainly something medieval about the burqa and the niqab. The idea that in the 21st century women should be hidden from view for reasons of modesty or religious belief is both troubling and astonishing. Yet, there is also something surreal about the way that this piece of cloth has been turned into a battleground for Western values and about the idea that the burqa poses some kind of existential threat to the West.</p>
<p>The campaign against the burqa is particularly puzzling when in reality so few women choose to wear it. The sight of a burqa in Paris or Brussels is almost as rare as a glimpse of a bikini in Riyadh or Karachi. France has a Muslim population of 5 million. Its government estimates that fewer than 2000 women wear a niqab or burqa. (The original survey, conducted by DCRI, the French secret service, came up with the <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/07/france-burka-wearing-marginal.html','367','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">oddly precise figure of 367;</a> that was so low that  the Interior Ministry told the DCRI  to count again.) In Holland some 500 women in a Muslim population of one million do so, in Denmark the estimate is fewer than 200 out of 170,000 Muslims.</p>
<p>So why, at a time when Europe is beset by so many fundamental economic and social problems, have legislators become so obsessed by this piece of cloth? There are three main kinds of arguments against the burqa: practical, political and existential.</p>
<p>The burqa, Jean-Francois Copé has suggested, ‘poses a serious safety problem at a time when security cameras play an important role in the protection of public order’. Many worry that the burqa would allow terrorists to evade airport security or provide the perfect camouflage for bank robbers. Others fret that wearing the burqa makes it difficult to perform certain jobs, particularly those that require face-to-face contact with clients or the public – doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers.</p>
<p>There are clearly practical problems that come with wearing the burqa. It is, after all, a piece of clothing designed for feudal life, not the modern world. Practical problems, however, can usually be solved on a case-by-case basis without the need for national soul searching or draconian legislation. Airports already require veiled women to reveal their features when passing through security. Police have no problem demanding to see faces when checking ID cards. And if banks insist that people should not wear bulky clothing, so be it. But that is very different from the state imposing an outright ban on such clothes.</p>
<p>If wearing a burqa is incompatible with the needs of particular jobs, then those particular employers – hospitals, schools, shops even- can legitimately demand that employees not be clad from head to foot. But again, one can impose dress codes for certain jobs without banning a type of clothing for everyone. After all, we don’t have judges and teachers wearing bikinis on the job either.</p>
<p>The practical arguments for a ban on the burqa are weak and shallow. More profound is the political case. The burqa, proponents of a ban argue, undermines gender equality and makes social integration impossible. It is, <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernardhenri-levy/why-i-support-a-ban-on-bu_b_463192.html','bhlburqa','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">Bernard-Henri Lévy has written</a>, ‘not a dress, it’s a message, one that clearly communicates the subjugation, subservience, the crushing and the defeat of women.’</p>
<p>The burqa is certainly demeaning to women, and often used to enchain them. Many other practices and rituals that Western societies tolerate are, however, also degrading. Orthodox Jewish women must shave their heads and wear a wig when they marry. The Catholic Church forbids women priests. Many Protestant evangelical churches insist that wives must ‘obey’ their husbands and that the role of women is to breed new evangelicals. Nobody seriously suggests that Jewish marriage rituals be banned or that the Catholic church be forced to accept gender equality or that evangelical wives  be   saved by state legislation from being baby factories.</p>
<p>A liberal society accepts that individuals should be free to make choices that may not be in their own interests and that, to liberal eyes, demean them. This applies even to particularly distasteful expressions of degradation, such as the wearing of the burqa.</p>
<p>What of the suggestion that women are forced to wear the burqa, and so need protection from the law? It is true that in countries such as Saudi Arabia or Yemen women have little choice but to cover up their face. That in itself is a good reason for liberal societies <em>not</em> to impose coercive dress codes.</p>
<p>If women are forced to do something against their will, the law already protects them in democratic countries. But what evidence exists, suggests that in Europe most burqa-clad women do not act from a sense of compulsion. According to the DCRI report in France, the majority of women wearing the burqa do so voluntarily, largely as an expression of identity and as an act of provocation. A second French report by the information authority, the SGDI, came to similar conclusions. Burqa wearers, it suggested, sought to ‘provoke society, or one’s family’, and saw it as a ‘badge of militancy’, and of ‘Salafist origins’. The burqa ban will only deepen the sense of alienation out which the desire for such provocation emerges.</p>
<p>The burqa is a symbol of the oppression of women, not its cause. If legislators really want to help Muslim women, they could begin not by banning the burqa, but by challenging the policies and processes that marginalize migrant communities: on the one hand, the racism, social discrimination and police harassment that all too often disfigure migrant lives, and, on the other, the multicultural policies that treat minorities as members of ethnic groups rather than as citizens. Both help sideline migrant communities, aid the standing of conservative ‘community leaders’ and make life more difficult for women and other disadvantaged groups within those communities.</p>
<p>What of the impact of the burqa on social integration? The veil has been rightly described as ‘ghetto walls that a person wears’. It often inhibits normal social interaction – that, after all, is its very purpose &#8211; and may preclude those who wear it from integrating into society. But given that virtually no Muslim woman actually wears the burqa, it can hardly be held responsible for creating a sense of social separation.</p>
<p>The real significance of the burqa is that it has become a symbol of the anxieties that have come to beset Western nations. What does it mean to be French? Or British? Or Swedish? Most Western nations have undergone a crisis of identity as both traditional values, and trust in the institutions in which those values were invested, have become eroded. Unable to define clearly the ideas and values that characterize the nation, still less to win people to those ideas and values, politicians have taken the easy step of railing against symbols of ‘alienness’. In this sense the burqa bans are similar to the <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/italys-kebab-war-hots-up','lucca','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">prohibition imposed last year</a> by the Italian city of Lucca on kebab shops ‘to protect our culinary tradition’ or to the <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/taming-globalization-kebabs-mini-skirts-and-meth-part-ii','rome','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">decree by the mayor Rome</a> that schools can no longer serve couscous or Chinese fried rice but only ‘regional cuisine dishes’. They are attempts to define ‘Western values’ or the republican tradition by showing what such values or traditions <em>are not</em> at a time when politicians find it increasingly difficult to express what they are.</p>
<p>And this takes us to the existential argument against the burqa. ‘This is not about the burqa’, <a onclick="MM_openBrWindow('http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernardhenri-levy/why-i-support-a-ban-on-bu_b_463192.html','bhl2','toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=800,height=600')" href="javascript:;">Bernard-Henri Lévy claims</a>. ‘It’s about Voltaire. What is at stake is the Enlightenment of yesterday and today, and the heritage of both, no less sacred than that of the three monotheisms. A step backwards, just one, on this front would give the nod, all fanaticism, all the true thoughts of hatred and violence.’</p>
<p>The idea that the entire weight of the Enlightenment tradition should rest on banning a piece of cloth worn by a few hundred women shows how absurd has become the debate about the burqa. Certainly, it is important to defend liberal social values, the secular society and the heritage of the Enlightenment. But we cannot do so by promoting illiberal policies, stigmatizing immigrants, or banning symbols of ‘otherness’. The very values that Lévy believes are undermined by the burqa demand that we oppose any attempt by the state to ban it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve not posted for a while, mostly because of pressure of work, but there are a number of things which are currently causing me to more or less lose sleep.</p>
<p>recently, i gave up posting on <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com">pickled politics</a>, partly because of the level of personal animosity i was facing, but mostly just in frustration at my apparent inability to get my point across. now, i suppose i have nobody very much to blame for that apart from myself, but i&#8217;ve never felt that was a problem before now. now, i think i&#8217;m starting to work out what it is that is bothering me; certainly, it&#8217;s not about the denizens of one blog, or even the blogosphere, or even the media. it&#8217;s not any one set of views, not any one person, but a set of trends, a collective movement i sense in wider society.</p>
<p>one of the things i like about the spittoon and my co-contributors is that they take a robust approach towards the cosy relationship between the left and the various apologists for, supporters of and partisans of islamist extremism. they take, of course, an equally dim view of other forms of clerical fascism, whether it be jewish, christian, or hindu, although, of course, we are often excoriated for not writing sufficiently on these subjects. and why is that? well, the answer that &#8220;they&#8217;re not as big a problem&#8221; simply won&#8217;t do. clearly, the activities of the likes of rss/shiv sena in india, or hardcore fundamentalists in the american south ultimately affect all of us. for me personally, the behaviour of both the extreme west bank settlers and that of rejectionist ultra-orthodoxy evokes both profound heartache and deep anger &#8211; just as the &#8220;as-a-jew&#8221; clique that only appear as jews in order to display their preening self-importance whenever an opportunity to attack israel arises. however, i would nonetheless argue that, from the perspective of wider UK society, these concerns are less immediate, in that these groups have no meaningful accommodation with either our government or the UK media, however influential they may be in the communities they come from. what bothers me, really, is what the effects of ongoing and intensifying fundamentalism on me, my family and community and wider society &#8211; in this, locally speaking, islamists are in the vanguard, as the leading proponents and practitioners of violence against my community specifically and, generally, against UK civil society.</p>
<p>the question inevitably arises &#8211; who&#8217;s really worse? well, i think i would on balance come down in favour of the idea that wherever a particular group becomes influential and the closer they come to the levers of power, the more of a problem they are in a particular country. thus, in the UK, the utterly misguided, racism-of-lower-expectations the-west-is-ultimately-responsible-for-everything-bad-y&#8217;know attitude has allowed the entryism of islamist organisations and sympathisers everywhere from the police to government to the left-wing media. but would it be any different anywhere else? i expect not &#8211; militant fundamentalist christians are busily inching closer to the levers of power in washington, india has had already had one bjp government and i think we&#8217;re all aware of the subversion of mainstream democracy and the processes of civil society in israel by the religious parties and the settler lobby. we&#8217;ve got a lot of muslim fundamentalists here in the UK and, in a profound act of ignorance and credulity, we&#8217;ve allowed islamic education to be systematically outsourced to salafi and wahhabi dawa organisations for a generation, with entirely predictable results &#8211; i think we can say the same of many european countries, although i would fall well short of the apocalyptic and hysterical &#8220;eurabia&#8221; scenario &#8211; in fact, i&#8217;d be more worried personally about the behaviour of the catholic party in poland led by an anti-semitic priest and any prospective alliance of a russian political party with the orthodox church &#8211; not trend anyone jewish can afford to ignore.</p>
<p>of course, in europe particularly, this isn&#8217;t the first time we&#8217;ve been here. there was of course an &#8220;enlightenment&#8221;, which consisted in large part of reaction against the authoritarianism of various forms of christianity, whether by trying to eliminate it altogether and replace it with a sort of ersatz state paganism, as in france, or whether to regulate it as a sort of national industry, as in germany and scandinavia, or whether to simply satirise and philosophise it into a manageable social pressure and community support lobby, as in britain. the enlightenment taught that religion was nothing but a corrupt power structure which only the mad, the bad and the deluded would indulge. as we also know, removing religion simply forced the mad, the bad and the deluded to find other channels for their unpleasant attitudes and activities. we still see this outdated and reductionist position being reinvented for modern times using all the tools of modern cultural influence, from popular science to childrens&#8217; books to comedy. religious people are portrayed as knaves or fools. there appears to be no middle ground, no compromise possible &#8211; religion must be rooted out, cleansed and exterminated.</p>
<p>of course, we&#8217;ve been there before too &#8211; modern fundamentalism, as karen armstrong (before she started to become part of the problem by sucking up to the goons at MPAC-UK) pointed out in her still masterful study of fundamentalism &#8220;the battle for G!D&#8221; evolved largely as a reaction against the enforced, clumsy and often brutal imposition of modernity on societies all around the world. the fundamentalisms we have today have reached their current forms because of the political, technological and social realities of the societies in which they evolved. their priorities and obsessions are driven by the battles they originally fought, against pluralism, liberalisation of dress, behaviour, increased social equality (or inequality), against practically irreversible geopolitical realities, against the aftereffects of wars and economic dislocation. those who give aid and comfort to fundamentalists are inevitably picking and choosing where they have shared priorities and obsessions &#8211; anti-imperialism, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, anti-israel, social breakdown, the emancipation of women, the legacy of slavery &#8211; but they are always at odds with fundamental features of the societies they criticise.</p>
<p>what i see developing, however, is a sort of multi-lateral polarisation in which the first casualty is moderation, the second is tolerance and the third is social consensus. the effects of this, however, touch all of us, but the effects are peculiarly corrosive on those of us who are able to combine amd integrate reason and religion and deal with the subtleties of creation, revelation and evolution. we are frequently at odds with obscurantists and bigots within our faith, but we are now fighting a rearguard defence against anti-religious forces, without any letup in the attack on reasonableness, complexity and dialogue that continues from reactionary fanatics. both sides, naturally, accuse us of giving aid and comfort to the other in its mission to destroy them &#8211; if we&#8217;re not with them, we&#8217;re against them &#8211; and no prisoners will be taken.</p>
<p>so, on one hand, we have the forces of militant anti-religion mounting attacks on everything from headgear to faith schools, on the other we have the walls of the ghetto being built anew, only with gun-ports this time. we can also see the social contract of the enlightenment renewed; previously, the deal was &#8220;give up your difference and you&#8217;ll get rights as a citizen&#8221; &#8211; this time, it&#8217;s &#8220;you&#8217;ve abused your rights as a citizen, we can no longer tolerate your differences&#8221;. the behaviour of religious fanatics, in their quest to dominate their own communities, has destroyed the delicate balance which allowed religion to be an integrated part of civil society. naturally, comes the response: they want all or nothing? fine &#8211; let them have nothing. but what of those of us who always wanted to co-exist? who prize our cultural and spiritual distincitiveness? oh no, distinctiveness is still allowed &#8211; but religion will no longer be a valid reason for it. diversity in sexuality, gender, disability, intelligence, talent, wealth &#8211; all these are permitted, but not religion. we are offered the choice &#8211; everything or nothing. well, we want neither.</p>
<p>i refuse to hide in the ghetto. i contribute to this society. i work. i pay my taxes. i don&#8217;t walk about naked, nor do i hide my face from the world. i will not assimilate, nor will i act as if i am living in another country or another century. i refuse to eat foods that are forbidden to me and i refuse to forbid those foods to others who may want them. i refuse to give up the sabbath, the festivals, the Torah and my other sacred texts &#8211; and i refuse to impose my vision of them on those who do not share my perspective. if i am attacked, i will defend myself. if i am insulted, i will respond in kind. i am not looking for a fight, but i will not shrink from one. i will not allow others to define what i am. the search for social consensus has been a long and painful one &#8211; and now it has been destroyed again, by the hubris and arrogance of religious and anti-religious fanatics. i do not know if we can put the pieces back together again, but there has to be a basis for us to live together &#8211; both enforced segregation and enforced assimilation are fascistic responses.</p>
<p>judaism has always been not so much a culture or a religion as it has been a 3000+ year-old argument. there is nothing so boring as loads of people violently agreeing with each other &#8211; except perhaps two groups of people refusing to concede anything that the other is saying has any value or validity. the counter-enlightenment is in full swing, without any sign that it has learnt anything from the enlightenment.</p>
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The white liberal is an unhealthy type of creature that you will undoubtedly have encountered, if not in real life, certainly via the media. By ‘liberal’, I do not mean simply someone who has a generally liberal outlook, in the sense of a ‘live and let live’ philosophy, nor [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This is a <a href="http://edmundstanding.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/white-liberals-and-politically-correct-racism/">cross-post</a> by Edmund Standing</strong></p>
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<p>The white liberal is an unhealthy type of creature that you will undoubtedly have encountered, if not in real life, certainly via the media. By ‘liberal’, I do not mean simply someone who has a generally liberal outlook, in the sense of a ‘live and let live’ philosophy, nor do I mean liberals in the sense of the classical liberals of the conservative tradition. By ‘white liberal’, I mean a white Western individual who is likely to come from a middle class background and have a university education, considers him or herself to be both ‘left-wing’ and socially ‘liberal’, and almost certainly reads <em>The Guardian</em> or <em>The Independent</em>. White liberals espouse an artificial and pretentious form of ‘egalitarianism’, a patronising and hypocritical approach to ethnic minorities and non-Western cultures, and – in a re-hash of the notion of the ‘white man’s burden’ – devote themselves to a delusional Messianism in which they seek to ‘save the world’ through protesting against war (in real terms, protesting against non-white people having a chance at freedom and democracy), Israel (the one truly liberal society in the Middle East), globalisation (thereby opposing the one great vehicle by which <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5633239795464137680">poorer nations can develop</a>), and so on, while making themselves feel and look ‘good’ by flaunting their pious support for campaigns to end poverty in the Third World (which will do no such thing, as <a href="http://www.dambisamoyo.com/deadaid.html">Dambisa Moyo</a>, <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article525509.ece">Stephen Pollard</a>, <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11712">Marian L. Tupy</a>, and others rightly point out ), and boasting about how ‘progressive’ they are by showing ‘solidarity’ with genocidal Islamists in Gaza.</p>
<p>White liberals, despite viewing themselves as intelligent and open-minded, are actually some of the most illiberal and narrow-minded people in society today. Their reactions to the idea that anyone might think differently to them range from gut-wrenching despair to pure hatred of the kind seen in the most fanatical of ‘true believers’. White liberals are, by and large, incapable of serious adult debate (preferring innuendo and accusations of bigotry), or of dealing with the fact that not everyone will agree with them (despite their supposed love of pluralism and a multiplicity of different ‘voices’), and tend to see any view which deviates from their cultic leftist script as a form of irredeemable moral evil. White liberals do not base their world-view on rational analysis and sensible argument, but instead on an almost religious faith that they possess the ‘truth’, and just as we see in so many fundamentalist religious cults and sects, the devotees of the white liberal faith burn with hatred for the ‘sin’ that surrounds them, and indeed, all too often for the ‘sinners’ themselves. White liberals, who are the intellectual equivalent of stroppy, rebellious teenagers, have sought to subvert and undermine Western civilisation, and some offer support for authoritarian and even terrorist movements as part of their attack on ‘racism’ and ‘colonialism’.</p>
<p>White liberals approach issues of race and racism from an essentially irrational, moralistic standpoint. White liberals do not simply judge racism to be based on bad thinking and criticise it for its illogical collectivism. Instead, white liberals make the issue of racism, as with other issues, all about <em>them</em>. White liberals have colonised the discourse of racism and anti-racism because it offers them an opportunity to boast of the superiority of their virtue and to demonstrate their purity and holiness through ostentatious and vacuous public displays of self-flagellation. Just as early Christianity imbued adherents with a deep sense of guilt and sinfulness, so the white liberal finds in reflecting on the history of white racism the opportunity to both revel in the guilt of the sinner and to make atonement through ‘anti-racist’ initiatives, thereby offering them the opportunity to further present themselves as a holy elite tasked with saving the world. And just as at various points in the history of Christianity an overarching sense of guilt derived from an intense awareness of, and obsession with, the supposedly inherent sinfulness of human beings and of the ‘world’ led ‘holy’ men and women to conclude that the path to holiness is found in the hatred of self, world, and the human condition, white liberals indulge in a form of self-hatred which is designed to project the image of penitence and sanctity, while actually being transparently pretentious, self-aggrandising, and destructive.</p>
<p>Ideological white racists are collectivists who adopt the irrational position that white people form some kind of world-wide ‘brotherhood’ with a unified history and culture. The huge variations in the historical and cultural experiences and manifestations of the various majority white nations is seen to be of little importance in the bigger picture. Ideological white racists are frequently people who have made little or no personal contribution to the development and advancement of Western civilisation. You won’t find many ground-breaking inventors and innovators, great scientists, artists, composers, and so on in the ranks of the modern white supremacist movement, but you will find many bitter and insecure individuals who make themselves feel important by piggy-backing on the achievements of others. When white racist activists and ideologues talk of ‘white unity’ and ‘white pride’, they almost always claim to be ‘proud’ of the ‘superior’ achievements of white people throughout history. Ideological white racists will point to great men and women of the past and present who happen to share their skin colour and state how great the ‘white race’ is. So, you will find the absurd phenomenon of drug dealing, dole scrounging morons who somehow feel Shakespeare and Mozart can be claimed by them as great men of ‘their race’. Clearly, stating yourself ‘proud’ of things that you have not made or done just because they were made or done by people who look or looked similar to you has no rational basis.</p>
<p>On this point, white liberals will agree. However, at the same time, white liberals advocate an inverse form of the same collectivist nonsense by proposing that whites should feel collective guilt for the <em>negative</em> actions of white people of the past. It’s clearly stupid for a skinhead thug to claim to feel ‘proud’ of the works of Beethoven, yet it is also equally stupid for a white liberal to claim to feel ‘guilty’ for the actions of white slave traders or marauding white colonialists. But the white liberal simply will not accept this. White liberals hold an almost universally negative view of the history of Western civilisation and claim that modern Western whites should apologise and make amends for the actions of whites of previous generations and even previous centuries. If a Mayor of London made a public speech tearfully extolling the superior virtues of white people who happened to live in London in the past most people would be shocked by this act of collectivist posturing and irrational bigotry. However, when the tables are turned and a Mayor of London makes a tearful ‘apology’ for long dead Londoners’ involvement in the slave trade, this is seen by white liberals to be a moral and righteous act.</p>
<p>Here’s how <em>The Guardian</em> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/aug/24/london.humanrights">reported</a> a 2007 case of exactly this collectivist irrationality:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ken Livingstone yesterday marked the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the slave trade with an emotional and tearful ceremonial apology on behalf of the capital city and its institutions. The London mayor wept as he told a commemorative service of the cruelties inflicted on the millions transported from Africa and the legacy that confronts them today.</p>
<p>Before an audience of politicians, writers and dignitaries, he twice paused during his address. As he voiced the apology, the US civil rights leader the Rev Jesse Jackson walked over and placed his arm around the mayor. Mr Livingstone completed the long awaited statement, dabbing tears from his eyes, his voice shaky.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ken Livingstone – known as ‘Red Ken’ for the far-left views he espoused for many years of his political career – took it upon himself to express collective guilt on behalf of an entire city in his role as Mayor of London. In doing so, he acted as the archetypal masochistic white liberal idiot.</p>
<p>As is so often the case with white liberals, Livingstone’s pathological sense of white guilt has also affected his ability to think rationally about people who happen to have a darker shade of skin than him. For white liberals like Red Ken, criticism of any non-white person is suspected to be a cover for ‘racism’, ‘imperialism’, and so on. Consequently, when Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi – an Islamist ‘scholar’ who advocates the death penalty for gay people, the beating of wives by their husbands, and calls Hamas terrorists ‘martyrs’ – came to London in 2004, Livingstone, acting in his official capacity of Mayor of London, publicly welcomed him and went so far as to embrace him before the cameras of the media.</p>
<p>Rational criticism of this disgusting act of grovelling to a retrograde theocratic ideologue had no effect on Livingstone. Taking white liberal idiocy to its logical conclusion, he went so far as issuing yet another of his vacuous apologies, <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3888419.stm">stating</a> that ‘On behalf of the people of London, I would like to apologise to the Sheikh for the outburst of xenophobia in sections of the media’. Livingstone’s decision to ignore  Al-Qaradawi’s reactionary views was typical of the kind of double standard adopted by many white liberals. Livingstone seems to be one of the white liberal drones who thinks that while white people have been – and continue to be – somehow collectively responsible for an endless list of crimes and transgressions, the same cannot possibly be said for someone of another ethnicity. If a white leader advocated the same things as Al-Qaradawi, white liberals like Livingstone would be up in arms, denouncing the evils of homophobia, sexism, and any other ‘ism’ that could be thrown at them, and would probably go on to issue tearful apologies and dredge up issues like slavery.</p>
<p>Speaking of the similar attitudes of white liberals in Canada, liberal Muslim author Tarek Fatah <a href="http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=16381&amp;Itemid=86">nailed it</a> when he told the <em>Canadian Jewish News</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>there is a tremendous amount of white guilt. The intelligentsia in this country in a selfish way tries to assuage this guilt. It caters to the most idiosyncratic behaviour of the immigrant and practices the racism of lower expectations. It sets standards of behaviour for our community, but when dealing with immigrants and especially the Muslim community, it does not expect them to live by the same standards.</p></blockquote>
<p>Meanwhile, the Syrian-born Muslim scholar Bassam Tibi has <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,440340,00.html">told</a> Germany’s <em>Der Spiegel</em> magazine that ‘Europeans have stopped defending the values of their civilization’ because ‘they confuse tolerance with relativism’. White guilt is an irrational, intellectually and culturally crippling pathology, yet white liberals who embrace this nonsense have a huge influence in almost all the powerful and influential sectors of our society.</p>
<p>For white liberals, the fear of being accused of racism is a matter of constant concern. The idea that someone might be a racist has taken second place only to the idea that someone might be a paedophile. Racism continues to be a highly contentious issue, and one in which white liberals take a particularly keen interest. However, as with everything else, most white liberals get this issue completely wrong and in doing so greatly hinder the development of an intellectually honest and rational society, and a society in which racial collectivism and prejudice is eradicated.</p>
<p>A good working definition of racism would be that it is the belief that one or more ethnic groups are inherently, biologically inferior to another. Racists work on the deterministic assumption that people can be collectively viewed as a single group based on ethnic ancestry alone and that membership of this group connotes certain fixed, unchanging, and unchangeable factors, such as intelligence, character, and aspirations. Racists are race essentialists – they do not see individuals but rather view ethnic groups as monolithic groups whose cultures, traditions, religions, and so on in some sense spring from their genetic make-up. While I’m far from an Ayn Rand acolyte, her analysis of racism in <a href="http://www.uc.edu/nationfamilystate/Authors/Ayn%20Rand/ARVirtueSelfishness17.pdf"><em>The Virtue of Selfishness</em></a> is spot-on:</p>
<blockquote><p>Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage — the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.</p>
<p>Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas — or of inherited knowledge — which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.</p>
<p>Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.</p></blockquote>
<p>When it comes to racism, a sensible approach would be to say that as the central assumptions which underpin it are false, racism is irrational and consequently a belief system that is of no value and is positively harmful. Many white people are hard-working and make a positive contribution to society; however, many do not. The same applies across all ethnic groups. A sensible approach to the issue of race is to judge individuals on their personal merits, not on the colour of their skin or their country of ethnic ancestry. The white racist would prefer to live next to a white dole scrounger than a hard-working Asian. This fact illustrates the fundamental irrationality of racism, and the indiscriminate collectivism upon which it is based. Racists are often seen as people who ‘discriminate’. In reality, they show themselves to be fundamentally incapable of discrimination, given the fact they see only undifferentiated masses termed ‘races’, instead of vastly differing <em>individuals</em>.</p>
<p>White liberals take a very different approach to the issue of racism than the one outlined above. White liberals do not predominantly base their positions on reason, but rather on emotions, moralism, and an almost religious devotion to concepts such as egalitarianism and ‘human rights’ (although their support for human rights varies according to whose rights are at stake). As moralists, white liberals see racism as evil and essentially ‘sinful’, and for them racism violates the holy precepts of ‘rights’ and ‘humanity’. White liberals are incapable of logically and adequately addressing issues of race and racism, because their moralism is not rationally founded.</p>
<p>In the Hebrew Bible, we find the idea of generational curses, in which God punishes the descendants of transgressors. For example, in Exodus 20:5, God is said to have stated: ‘I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation’. White liberals approach racism from a similar perspective. As we have seen, white liberals feel an almost pathological sense of guilt over the white racism of the past and this is central to their overwhelmingly negative assessment of the West and its history.</p>
<p>This combination of moralism and guilt has resulted in white liberals going from one extreme to the other. In attempting to avoid the mistakes of the past and to somehow atone for the sins of their forefathers, white liberals have adopted a position towards ethnic minorities and non-Western cultures in which they feel that it is not morally permissible for white people to criticise any non-white groups, belief systems, cultural phenomena, and so on. Consequently, white liberals are – for example – wholly opposed to asserting the superior values of Western modernity over the comparative backwardness of the so-called Islamic world, and indeed devote much of their time to promoting the idea that the West is in fact grossly deficient and shot through with ‘racism’.</p>
<p>Multiculturalism is the inevitable result of this white liberal outlook. Unable to assert the particular value of Western civilisation and the developments of modernity, white liberals have encouraged multiculturalism because a large part of their flawed ‘anti-racist’ strategy is the promotion of cultural relativism. Cultural relativism is the irrational position that no culture – or aspect of cultural belief or practice – can in any sense be stated to be better than another, and it is an important aspect of the pseudo-religion of ‘equality’. The simplistic idea underpinning cultural relativism is the view that if all cultures are seen as equal, then all races will be seen to be equal, and never again can whites assert racial superiority over non-whites. However, the white liberal approach to racism is wrong on two fundamental levels: firstly, it is irrational, and secondly, it is actually based on racist ideas.</p>
<p>The white liberal notion that ‘discrimination’ is an intrinsic evil involves an abuse of the concept of discrimination and the application of a moral principle that makes no sense, and is not even consistently followed by white liberals. Despite the fact the word is now so loaded it automatically conjures up images of bigotry and injustice, discrimination is a perfectly normal and legitimate concept. To discriminate is simply to choose one option from a series of options. The fact that railway companies no longer build steam locomotives is the result of superior advances in rail technology. When building new trains, rail companies <em>could</em> choose to build a new fleet of steam locomotives. Of course, they do not do this as to do so would be a step backwards and would be commercially harmful. In choosing to build trains using the latest technology, rail companies are using a process of discrimination. Go and see the managers of a rail company and try telling them that all trains are ‘equal’ and that they should not ‘discriminate’ against steam locomotives, but should rather use equal numbers of steam and electric locomotives. They would probably laugh in your face and call you an idiot. And they would be right. Even white liberals would find the notion of railway locomotive ‘equality’ completely absurd and irrational. However, when it comes to looking at beliefs, cultural practices, ways of ordering society, and so on, white liberals suddenly adopt the same irrational argument as used in my train example. All cultures are ‘equal’, they assert. To think otherwise is immoral and bigoted and shows that you are a ‘racist’.</p>
<p>In reality, white liberals do not really consider all cultures to be equal. They may say they do, but even white liberals are not actually that stupid. White liberals to do not want to live in a society ruled on theocratic lines; they don’t want to be enslaved to following ancient writings of ignorant men; they don’t want their daughters to be genitally mutilated; they don’t want to be forced into arranged marriages; they don’t believe men should be in a position of ‘authority’ over women; they don’t accept sexism, misogyny, and anti-gay prejudice; they don’t think the answer to criminality is to enact barbaric laws involving public whippings, amputation, stoning, and beheading; they don’t think people should be executed for ‘crimes’ such as homosexuality and ‘sorcery’. The West was once based around all these principles, however, a slow development away from rule by religious authority and unelected leaders, and a society ordered along brutal feudal lines and permeated with superstition, took place in the West over a number of centuries, and was particularly accelerated thanks to the Enlightenment. The often hysterical reaction to Christian fundamentalists exhibited by white liberals, and their support for the notion that harshly criticising and even ridiculing Christianity is admirable and ‘progressive’, shows where they stand when it comes to traditional Western religion and religious authority. Because of its long history in the West, white liberals tend to perceive Christianity as somehow a ‘white’ religion (despite the majority of practising Christians in the world today being non-white and non-European), and as a result are more than happy to see it dissected, neutered, and pilloried. Naturally, white liberals do not consider criticism of Christianity and theocratic Christian groups to be a form of ‘anti-white racism’, and they are right, as it isn’t, and has nothing to do with race.</p>
<p>Given white liberals are very clear about the way in which they wish to live, and the rights they consider essential – free speech and expression, freedom from sexism, freedom from homophobia, democratic rights, individual rights, freedom from religious authority, freedom from State oppression, and so on – you might expect them to take the position that every citizen in the West (and indeed the whole world) should share a respect for, and enjoy the benefits of, these freedoms. However, because of white liberals’ bizarre misunderstanding of what racism is, they suddenly throw out any universal commitment to such values when they find that non-white societies and ethnic minority groups in majority-white societies do not respect these freedoms. The clearest example of this bizarre and hypocritical attitude is currently found in the way white liberals approach Islam and Muslims. According to the white liberal anti-racist creed, to criticise Islam, to state that Muslims living in the West should abide by the social mores of the West, and even to criticise political Islam (Islamism) is an act of ‘racism’. How can this be perceived to be racism? According to white liberals, criticism of Islam is ‘racist’ because the majority of Muslims in the world – and in the West – are non-white, and Islam is a religion that emerged in a non-white land (the Arabian peninsula). For the white liberal, criticism of Islam, because it is a predominantly non-white belief system, must by definition in fact be based on racist contempt for non-white people, because Islam is ‘their culture’ and to criticise ‘their culture’ is to criticise ‘them’. White liberals, haunted by memories of slavery, colonialism, and white supremacist ideologies of the past, have concluded that cultures and races are integrally intertwined. Islam, they believe, is a non-white and ethnic minority belief system, which is therefore an extension of the non-white and ethnic minority communities that adhere to it. In the light of the white colonialism and racism of the past, white liberals claim, white people have no right to pass judgement on other cultures, and to do so is to engage in a racist ‘cultural imperialism’.</p>
<p>The notion that criticism of a culture, cultural practice, or ideology is a form of racism is, ironically enough, actually predicated on a racist outlook. When white liberals cry ‘cultural racism’, they are merely engaging in a politically correct form of a racist idea which originally formed the basis of many theories of white supremacy. Early Western proponents of notions of the inferiority of non-white people, racial hierarchies, and so on, initially based their beliefs on assumptions derived from anthropology, before going on to create full-blown pseudo-scientific racial theories that drew on such bogus ‘scientific’ methods as craniology and phrenology. These anthropological racists came into contact with various non-white peoples through exploration and colonialism. Upon finding that many non-European peoples were living in societies bereft of the technological and philosophical advances found in the West, white supremacists concluded that the reason these peoples lived in primitive conditions which lacked any evidence of modernity was not that they – for various geographical and sociological reasons – had yet to go through the radical changes from living in pre-modern societies to living in modern technological and industrialised nations that had recently occurred in the West, but rather was a result of an inherent intellectual and sociological deficiency in their ‘race’ that derived from their genetic make-up. According to the Western theorists of white supremacy, the cultures of non-white peoples were external manifestations of an innate racial essence, and it was quite impossible to hope that these peoples would ever advance from the state in which they were found, because they were biologically incapable of ever advancing or developing. Such thinking provided an ‘intellectual’ justification for slavery, for example, in that it adjudged black people to be a lesser form of being, lacking intellectual potential and aspirations, and consequently a being whose ‘natural’ role was to live in subservience to white people. When white liberals claim that criticism of Islam or Islamic politics – so-called ‘Islamophobia’ – is a form of racism, they are making exactly the same connection between culture and race. In this white liberal form of racism – the racism of lower expectations – it is seen to be bigoted to suggest that non-white people should leave behind the very same primitive ideas that once held sway in the West (fanatical devotion to religion, intolerance of critical thinking and other beliefs, persecution of gay people, and so on). Yet the true bigot here is the white liberal, who assumes that cultural ideas that have developed in non-white societies are somehow integrally intertwined with, and innately derived from, the racial groups in those societies. The racism of lower expectations views non-white people as inferior to white Westerners, but masks this racist assumption in politically correct language about ‘diversity’ and ‘respect’ for cultures.</p>
<p>If white liberals really believed that all cultures are ‘equal’, you would expect to see them spreading out across the world, queuing up to gain entry to countries such as Iran or Saudi Arabia. In fact, most white liberals certainly do not hike off around the world, seeking to make their homes in Islamic States. The major traffic between Islamic States and the West comes in the form of a steady flow of immigrants trying to gain entry to the West because they know they will have a better life here. Societies that attempt to organise themselves using Islam as their foundational philosophical basis are demonstrably vastly inferior to the West. One need only glance at the human rights records of Islamic States such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Iran to see that this is the case. None of these States has a properly functioning democracy or the freedoms we take for granted in the West such as freedom of speech and expression, freedom of belief and religious adherence, freedom of association, gender equality, and freedom of choice in personal and sexual relationships. The legal systems in these States are barbaric, prejudiced, and corrupt. Law enforcement does not adhere to any proper system of due process. Saudi Arabia is ruled with an iron fist and is marked by institutional superstition, as seen, for example, in its execution of people accused of <a href="http://www.hrw.org/ar/news/2009/11/24/saudi-arabia-witchcraft-and-sorcery-cases-rise">‘witchcraft’ and ‘sorcery’</a>. Yemen fiercely clamps down both on individual freedom and the rights of political groups. Arbitrary house searches and arrests are common, and capital ‘crimes’ include homosexuality. Child marriage, meanwhile, is <a href="http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article33440.ece">promoted</a> by Yemeni clerics, who <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/world/middleeast/29marriage.html">cite</a> Muhammad’s marriage of a child as the authoritative precedent for this practice. Iran is governed by a Holocaust-denying Islamist lunatic who incites hatred of the West and grants police the right to detain individuals for such bogus ‘crimes’ as <a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Iran-Satan-Worshippers-Arrested-In-Iran-After-Blood-Sucking-Rock-Party/Article/200905415289837">‘Satanism’</a> or having the <a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Iran-Crackdown-On-Western-Influences-In-Clothes-And-Haircuts-49-Arrested/Article/200812115172559">wrong hairstyle</a>. Iran also executes gay men, including teenagers.</p>
<p>To state that life in Western democracies is demonstrably better than life in Islamic States should hardly be controversial, yet many white liberals cannot bring themselves to acknowledge what they must logically believe to be the case, because to do so would be to ‘discriminate’ and to engage in ‘cultural imperialism’, ‘Islamophobia’, and ‘racism’. Yet who is the racist here? – The honest individual who notes that modern Western civilisation is superior to that of Islamic States, or the white liberal who enjoys the freedoms of the West but claims that we cannot ‘impose’ our ‘Eurocentric’ perspective on others, because to do so would be to claim that peoples and races living in Islamic States are <em>themselves</em> inferior? The subtext is rather clear in the white liberal’s cultural relativism: Islamic States are the way they are because they are the creation of non-white peoples, and therefore to criticise political Islam is to pass judgement on the ethnic groups in those States. A sensible person who is not clouded by racial prejudice should be able to see that Islam and Islamic States have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture. Culture does not derive from race, and therefore to criticise a culture cannot be seen as a <em>racial</em> criticism (unless that criticism is articulated in the language of genuine ideological racism). To assume that it <em>can</em> be seen as that is actually to endorse the view that culture <em>does</em> derive from race and that therefore the backward, superstitious, and authoritarian nature of Islamic societies is actually the result of non-white peoples being inherently backward and superstitious.</p>
<p>The same issue applies to white liberals’ approach to Islamists living in the West. When Islam, Islamism, and Islamists are criticised, many white liberals work themselves into a frenzy, frothing at the mouth about supposed ‘Islamophobia’ and ‘racism’. In doing so, white liberals seem to be seriously proposing that non-white immigrants and children of immigrants are inherently predisposed towards theocratic and illiberal outlooks. White liberals practice the racism of lower expectations in their dealings with immigrant communities. When Islamic groups are shown to be sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, anti-freedom, and anti-Western, white liberals do not oppose them – instead they support the bigotry and backwardness of Islamic extremists in immigrant communities by announcing that such prejudices and anti-freedom views and ideologies are ‘their’ culture and are no better or worse than the predominant culture in the West. The fact that white liberals are being racist in doing this is easily illustrated by the fact that when white racist parties and organisations promote anti-democratic views and hatred for minorities such as gay people, white liberals immediately condemn them. When the Christian Right comes out with views that are backward, superstitious, and opposed to personal freedom, white liberals start ranting about theocracy and ‘fascism’. White liberals are happy to attack bigotry, irrationalism, and extremism when it comes with a white face – they don’t claim that ‘far-right’ homophobia and anti-Semitism is somehow ‘different but equal’ to white liberal views, nor do they start making excuses about ‘understandable grievances’ when white supremacists rave about Jewish conspiracies or Christian extremists bomb abortion clinics. If virulent criticism of white racist ideologies and religiously conservative Christianity is not seen by white liberals to constitute a form of ‘anti-white racism’, then why on earth should criticism of political Islam be seen as a form of ‘racism’? The only way in which opposing political Islam can be spun as a form of ‘racism’ is to claim that Islam constitutes an expression of a racial ‘essence’, as opposed to being one cultural form among many. To claim that criticism of Islam is ‘racist’ is to claim that Islam is derived from biology. This is nonsense. It is the same as the white supremacist claim that Western civilisation is great because the ethnicity of its progenitors is great. When white liberals claim criticism of Islam or any other non-white belief or culture is racist they show themselves to be racist to the core. White liberals have a condescending approach to non-white people because in actual fact they do not view them as equals at all. White liberals are the true racists, and their ‘tolerance’, relativism, and obsession with calling other people racists is in fact an attempt at covering up this very fact.</p>
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		<title>Relativism is the death of liberalism</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gauri Viswanathan interviews Salman Rushdie for The Hindu. An excerpt:
GV: The question of relativism is a very interesting one in your work: it seems to work for you when it comes to resisting a single origin from which all things and beings derive. But you draw the line when it comes to saying that cultural difference cancels [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Gauri Viswanathan <a href="http://thehindu.com/arts/books/article498544.ece">interviews</a> Salman Rushdie for The Hindu. An excerpt:</strong></p>
<hr /><strong>GV: </strong><em>The question of relativism is a very interesting one in your work: it seems to work for you when it comes to resisting a single origin from which all things and beings derive. But you draw the line when it comes to saying that cultural difference cancels out a single standard of justice.</em></p>
<p><strong>SR:</strong> I don&#8217;t know how unfashionable this is, but I think there are universals. I think there are things that are universally true and I think there are such things as universal rights. They are not culturally specific, in my view. The argument made by relativists is that it is culturally specific to argue that there are universals. I think there are other ways of approaching it.</p>
<p>One way of approaching it is to say that there are things which are essential to our nature as human beings, wherever in the world we come from. To go back to what I was saying about Ibn Rush&#8217;d, one of those essential characteristics that we all share is the characteristic of language. We are a language animal which always, from the beginning, has used language in order to understand itself, and in order to define and shape the kind of creature that it is. So then, if you begin to restrict, limit, forbid, circumscribe how language can be used, you are committing an offense which is not culturally specific: you are committing an existential offense. We have to be allowed to use language to understand ourselves. Therefore, to defend the freedom of language as a universal human right is justifiable not by appeal to this or that cultural tradition but simply to the biology of the beast.</p>
<p>So it seems to me that it is possible in this way to argue for the universality of certain rights. We are a dreaming animal. We live very richly through things that we imagine. Were it not for the capacity of imagination, there would be very little progress in human rights, in human existence. All through human history, imagination precedes reality, and things move constantly from the border — through the border — between imagination and reality. What starts as a dream becomes reality. So again, to start restricting our ability to dream and envision, and to tell us that there are things we can dream about, and other things that are bad dreams, which we must not have — it&#8217;s a crime against humanity.</p>
<p>I think relativism is the dangerous death of liberalism. If you will justify anything that anybody does because it comes from their tradition, it means you abdicate your moral sense and you cease to be a moral being. Going back to the article you mentioned which talks about the question of women, if you were to take religion away as the justification, nobody would tolerate that for a minute. The kinds of limitations that women have been placed under and the crimes against women in the name of religion are so profound, and yet somehow people don&#8217;t get as agitated about them as when the same things are done by somebody who wasn&#8217;t using God as the reason. That seems like nonsense to me.</p>
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		<title>Using Muslims to protect Islamists</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Effendi</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider two stories carried by Bob Pitt on Islamophobia-Watch.
Exhibit A, published by I-W on June 25th, is the story of Sureyya Ozkaya:
These are the shocking injuries inflicted upon schoolgirl Sureyya Ozkaya during a brutal daylight assault near her Thornton Heath home.
The 14-year-old&#8217;s hair was set on fire and her hands and feet were cut with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider two stories carried by Bob Pitt on Islamophobia-Watch.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2010/6/25/muslim-schoolgirl-suffers-brutal-attack.html">Exhibit A</a>, published by I-W on June 25th, is the story of Sureyya Ozkaya:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/resources/images/1338568/?type=display" alt="" width="210" height="140" />These are the shocking injuries inflicted upon schoolgirl Sureyya Ozkaya during a brutal daylight assault near her Thornton Heath home.</p>
<p>The 14-year-old&#8217;s hair was set on fire and her hands and feet were cut with glass during the attack in Grangewood Park, before her attackers smashed her head against a tree and left her bleeding in a bush.</p>
<p>She was stumbled upon by a woman walking her dog and carried home to nearby Kitchener Road following the attack, at about 7.30pm on June 9.</p>
<p>Sureyya&#8217;s mother Pemdegul Kale, 39, said three girls taunted her daughter about her Muslim faith as they carried out the assault, before burning her hair with a lighter and stealing her trainers.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2010/6/28/tariq-ramadan-sues-rotterdam-city-council-for-wrongful-dismi.html">Exhibit B</a>, published by I-W on June 28th, is about Tariq Ramadan:</p>
<blockquote><p>Academic Tariq Ramadan, sacked by Rotterdam city council last year, is asking for €75,000 compensation for wrongful dismissal.</p>
<p>Ramadan lost his job as city integration adviser after officials discovered he presented a tv show for a broadcast company financed by Iran. The city said this could not be combined with his other roles. Erasmus University also ended his contract as a visiting professor.</p>
<p>Court hearings over the compensation claim began on Monday. Ramadan claims the sacking damaged his reputation as an Islamic scholar.</p></blockquote>
<p>The first discusses the shocking and gutless physical assault on a young muslim girl. She was targeted specifically because she is muslim and there is a clear-cut indication of anti-muslim bigotry in the motivation to the violence.</p>
<p>The second is about Tariq Ramadan who has decided to take his erstwhile employers to court on grounds of wrongful dismissal. Rotterdam City Council decided that Ramadan&#8217;s links to an Iranian TV channel would conflict with his role as an academic at Erasmus University.</p>
<p><strong>Question: Why is the story of Tariq Ramadan, suing Rotterdam City Council in this case, Islamophobic?</strong></p>
<p>There is no commentary by Bob Pitt to tell us why. There is simply the vague suggestion from the title of the piece that <em>implies</em> Ramadan was dismissed on grounds that were Islamophobic. But this is not articulated in the article, which is cut and pasted verbatim from <a href="http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/islam_academic_wants_75000_for.php" target="_blank">Dutch News</a>.</p>
<p>When two completely divergent stories are juxtaposed in this manner, it has two effects:</p>
<p>1) By offering no distinction between the two cases, it seeks to conflate the fate of ordinary muslims with the travails of seasoned political Islamists. It does this by claiming that violent anti-muslim bigotry suffered by ordinary people who are targetted because they are muslim is of the same qualitative order as political action taken against right-wing Islamists.</p>
<p>2) There is the attempt to bolster Tariq Ramadan&#8217;s story by listing it alongside the story of real violence against a real victim. Tariq Ramadan is not a victim of any kind, but what this juxtaposition does is to objectify the pain of Sureyya in particular, and devalue and disrespect the real victims of anti-muslim bigotry in general.</p>
<p>Islamophobia-Watch is replete with this kind of sophistry and moral relativism. Political Islamists will be the first to claim to be victims of &#8220;Islamophobia&#8221; but will be the last to be on the receiving end of real anti-muslim bigotry.</p>
<p>But the take-away point to remind oneself when one reads the blog is this:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Islamophobia-Watch uses ordinary muslims to protect the interests of right-wing Islamists.</strong></p></blockquote>
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		<title>When Multiculturalists Get Bitten By Multiculturalism</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Faisal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eight years ago, Kenan Malik wrote an important and remarkably prescient essay on multiculturalism called Against Multiculturalism:
Proponents of multiculturalism usually put forward two kinds of arguments in its favour. First, they claim that multiculturalism is the only means of ensuring a tolerant and democratic polity in a world in which there are deep-seated conflicts between [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eight years ago, Kenan Malik wrote an important and remarkably prescient essay on multiculturalism called <a href="http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/against_mc.html">Against Multiculturalism</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Proponents of multiculturalism usually put forward two kinds of arguments in its favour. First, they claim that multiculturalism is the only means of ensuring a tolerant and democratic polity in a world in which there are deep-seated conflicts between cultures embodying different values. This argument is often linked to the claim that the attempt to establish universal norms inevitably leads to racism and tyranny. Second, they suggest that human beings have a basic, almost biological, need for cultural attachments. This need can only be satisfied, they argue, by publicly validating and protecting different cultures. Both arguments are, I believe, deeply flawed.</p></blockquote>
<p>By that definition, Sunny Hundal is a textbook proponent of multiculturalism. A few months ago he wrote a piece on his blog, Pickled Politics, and called it <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/8489">Minorities and power, in liberal democracies</a>. Not only was it is a clear-cut example of Kenan&#8217;s definition of multiculturalism, Hundal provides a complete proof-positive validation of Kenan&#8217;s thesis with this astonishing disclosure:</p>
<blockquote><p>After a while the race and the religion doesn’t even matter: it comes down to numbers. If your numbers or clout is large enough then the establishment will pay lip service. Perhaps the mistake Latinos in the US made was to tilt too far towards the Democrats… removing the Republican incentive to avoid pissing them off. Although it looks like Republicans <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/27/861239/-Immigration-law-is-definitely-Arizonas-Prop-187">are paying the price already</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps what I’m trying to say is that the only way a minority can get over the bigotry is either by expanding in large numbers, or getting very close to the establishment.</p>
<p>That’s what current affairs tell us, right?</p>
<p>[caveat: I'm not saying all minorities should vote along ethnic lines, I'm merely pointing out that in extreme circumstances (draconian immigration laws for example, they have an incentive to]</p></blockquote>
<p>What Hundal is advocating here, and what multiculturalists in general want, is surmised in the second of Malik&#8217;s two-point exposition. Multiculturalists want people to organise themselves along the lines of some or other ethnic or religious descriptor, say as &#8220;brown people&#8221; or as &#8220;Muslims&#8221; or as &#8220;Sikhs&#8221; etc, in order to oppose or protect themselves from some or other putative draconian or adverse law.</p>
<p>Now the diametrically opposite position to this would be if &#8220;white people&#8221; were to bind together politically in order to oppose this or that piece of legislation, corporate marketing or even other &#8220;brown people&#8221;.</p>
<p>But if &#8220;white people&#8221; were to organise themselves to &#8216;publicly validate and protect their culture&#8217;, as Kenan Malik would describe it, would multiculturalists like Sunny Hundal find it acceptable or even desirable? Surely that is the nature of the dynamics of a multicultural system, and surely that would include sub-cultures of &#8220;white people&#8221;?</p>
<p>Fat chance. As Sunny demonstrates, &#8220;brown&#8221; multiculturalists don&#8217;t like it when &#8220;white multiculturalists&#8221; assert themselves along the lines of a multicultural grouping.</p>
<p>In the case of a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/10357018.stm">football t-shirt campaign</a> for example, Hundal contradicts everything he has previously advocated for &#8220;brown minorities&#8221; and goes into hypocricy overdrive to deny this cherished multicultural privilege to that sub-culture known as &#8220;England supporters&#8221;. He then produces not <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/9034">one</a> but <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/9042">two</a> blog articles in a fit of apoplectic rage. And don&#8217;t be surprised if more still are on the way in the Pickled Pipeline.</p>
<p>It is inevitable that exponents of multiculturalism will tie themselves into intellectual and ethical knots, in the same way Sunny Hundal continues to do. We will leave it to him and his admirers to help him out of that predicament. It&#8217;s going to be long haul by the looks of things, but it is very entertaining to point and laugh.</p>
<p>I suggest the rest of us glean as much as possible from Kenan Malik&#8217;s article and ponder what a truly plural society, not just a multicultural society, would entail.</p>
<blockquote><p>The irony of multiculturalism is that, as a political process, it undermines what is valuable about cultural diversity. Diversity is important, not in and of itself, but because it allows us to expand our horizons, to compare and contrast different values, beliefs and lifestyles, and make judgements upon them. In other words, because it allows us to engage in political dialogue and debate that can help create more universal values and beliefs, and a collective language of citizenship. But it is precisely such dialogue and debate, and the making of such judgements, that contemporary multiculturalism attempts to suppress in the name of &#8216;tolerance&#8217; and &#8216;respect&#8217;.</p>
<p>A truly plural society would be one in which citizens have full freedom to pursue their different values or practices in private, while in the public sphere all citizens would be treated as political equals whatever the differences in their private lives. Today, however, pluralism has come to mean the very opposite. The right to practice a particular religion, speak a particular language, follow a particular cultural practice is seen as a public good rather than a private freedom. Different interest groups demand to have their &#8216;differences&#8217; institutionalised in the public sphere. And to enforce such a vision we have to call in the Thought Police.</p>
<p>Multiculturalism is an authoritarian, anti-human outlook. True political progress requires not recognition but action, not respect but questioning, not the invocation of the Thought Police but the forging of common bonds and collective struggles.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Is Gaza Starving?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The UNDP has published its yearly Human Development Report (HDR) and the results are surprising to say the least. It will put paid to a few received notions held dearly by the moralists of the Left, the Islamists of the religious right and pretty much everything else in between. I say that with irony at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UNDP has published its yearly <a href="http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/">Human Development Report (HDR)</a> and the results are surprising to say the least. It will put paid to a few received notions held dearly by the moralists of the Left, the Islamists of the religious right and pretty much everything else in between. I say that with irony at full blast and very little confidence, of course.</p>
<p>According to the report, the Occupied Palestinian Territories, which comprises the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, are classified in this broad-based UN Index as having &#8220;Medium Human Development&#8221;. It places its position at 110 of 182 countries, putting the Palestinian Territories in neither the top nor bottom groups.</p>
<p>And most surprising of all, the country&#8217;s HDR index places it ahead of the muslim-majority countries Egypt (123), Indonesia (111), Pakistan (141) and Bangladesh (146).</p>
<p>Where is data of the alleged &#8216;exteme humanitarian crisis&#8217; and the starving Gazans that the Left insists on holding up as examples of said crisis?</p>
<p>Here is an image of a people &#8220;starving&#8221; at a fruit and veg market bursting with produce in Gaza:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.spittoon.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/gaza_market1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6668" title="gaza_market1" src="http://www.spittoon.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/gaza_market1.jpg" alt="" width="480" height="322" /></a></p>
<p>And one of &#8220;destitution&#8221; at the lady&#8217;s souk:</p>
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<p>But back in Bangladesh, there&#8217;s no poverty or starving people at all, is there? No flotilla for this young girl:</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Nor for these children in Pakistan,</p>
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<p>And of course these people in Egypt have no experience of social deprivation at the hands of a corrupt and venal government administration do they?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sunny Hundal is overjoyed. Evidently Amnesty International have published a report detailing their human rights activism in Afghanistan. Hundal seems to be suggesting that publication of this report legitimises Amnesty UK&#8217;s partnership with the jihadi pressure group Cageprisoners:
Wait! I thought they were in league?? I’m getting all confused here, because according to certain defenders of human [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny Hundal is <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/8935">overjoyed</a>. Evidently Amnesty International have <a href="http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=18804">published a report</a> detailing their human rights activism in Afghanistan. Hundal seems to be suggesting that publication of this report legitimises Amnesty UK&#8217;s partnership with the jihadi pressure group Cageprisoners:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wait! I thought they were in league?? I’m getting all confused here, because according to certain defenders of human rights Amnesty was acting LIKE the Taliban. All very confusing isn’t it…. or not.</p></blockquote>
<p>But surely countering human rights abuses is the the kind of thing Amnesty was set up to do? Wasn&#8217;t highlighting human rights abuses rather than contextualising &#8220;defensive jihad&#8221; precisely their remit? Shouldn&#8217;t Amnesty be unapologetic advocates of universal human rights instead of forging partnerships with Cageprisoners whose business is to promote jihadist Islam and its exponents such as Anwar al-Awlaki and Ali al-Timimi?</p>
<p>There was a time, well before Gita Sahgal magnificently blew the whistle on them, when Amnesty UK took pride in publicising events such as this one, called &#8216;Stop the Spread of Guantanamitis&#8221;, held in <a href="http://www.amnesty.org.uk/events_details.asp?ID=1341">October 2009</a>.</p>
<p>Take a look at the list of speakers there:</p>
<blockquote><p>Louise Christian from Christian Khan Solicitors<br />
Imran Khan from Imran Khan Solicitors<br />
Kevin Laue from Redress<br />
Amnesty Representative<br />
<strong>Sunny Hundal from Pickled Politics</strong><br />
Representative from Reprieve<br />
Helen Bamber from Helen Bamber Foundation<br />
Andy Worthington journalist and author of &#8216;The Guantanamo Files&#8217;</p>
<p>Organisations in support include;<br />
Redress<br />
London Guantanamo Campaign<br />
<strong>Cage prisoners</strong><br />
Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers</p></blockquote>
<p>[My emphases]</p>
<p>Oh dear, Sunny Hundal and Cage Prisoners sharing an Amnesty platform. That explains a lot, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Had Amnesty International issued a press release with news of a discontinuation of their partnership with Defensive Jihadists, then that would have been a legitimate reason for joy. Unfortunately Amnesty UK have not done anything of the sort.</p>
<p>No doubt there will be more reports made to the public to smokescreen their covert activities with organisations such as Cage Prisoners, while closing down all debate internally, so that buffoons like Hundal and his confrères can feel vindicated.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, let us end on a winning note. Amnesty have not organised any more events with Cage Prisoners that we know of. So no more international speaking tours and no poetry reading soirées for Moazzam Begg on the Amnesty ticket.  And that is surely an indication, albeit a small one, that Gita Sahgal&#8217;s whistleblowing campaign has had some effect.</p>
<p>So carry on Hundal!</p>
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