The Arab Muslim Slave Trade Of Africans

Muslim Arabs hunted, enslaved, tortured and killed ethnic Africans for a millennium. Middle Eastern Muslim Arabs have a history of over 1400 years of human slavery, which even continues today in the Middle East. Arab Muslims controlled, maintained, initiated slavery of ethnic Africans. The Prophet Muhammad himself brought, kept and sold African slaves.

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).
Sahih Muslim Book 10 Number 3901

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  1. qidniz
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 3:42 AM | Permalink

    Azumah’s book is brilliant – meticulously researched and carefully argued – but by no means an easy read. Also worth reading is: Murray Gordon, Slavery in the Arab World, New Amsterdam 1989.

  2. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 5:28 AM | Permalink

    1. The Prophet Muhammad himself brought, kept and sold African slaves.

    What a lie! The Prophet bought slaves to set them free. You cannot name a single slave who was kept permanently by the Prophet. The most famous one Zaid bin Harris became his adopted son. In fact, the slaves of Khadija, his first wife who was also a business woman, were all set free by the Prophet.

    2. Muslim Arabs hunted, enslaved, tortured and killed ethnic Africans for a millennium.

    Another lie! You are exaggerating the scale of Arab slave trade which becomes an embarrassment when compared to the brutally massive trans-Atlantic slave trade of European colonialists. In any case, while torture and killing of ethnic Africans, may have occurred infrequently, but it was never of a systematic and ruthless nature as by your predecessors.

    Islam has laid stringent conditions for the upkeep of slave: torture, physical abuse and bodily harm are offenses that are sufficient to warranty freedom – as per the sunnah of the Prophet. And the only condition where slaves can be kept is as prisoners of war and when the opposing side is also enslaving freeman Muslims – there is no permission of slaves otherwise. In fact it was the Prophet who began the emancipation of slaves. What some later Arabs did is what they did – that has nothing to do with the teachings or practice of Muhammad.

    I can only deplore your intellectual dishonesty and deception.

  3. Posted January 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM | Permalink

    “What a lie! The Prophet bought slaves to set them free. You cannot name a single slave who was kept permanently by the Prophet. The most famous one Zaid bin Harris became his adopted son. In fact, the slaves of Khadija, his first wife who was also a business woman, were all set free by the Prophet.”

    You can call me a liar if you wish, but can you refute any ofa href=”http://debate.org.uk/topics/coolcalm/slaves1.html”>this?

    From which is surmised the following about the Prophet Muhammad’s male slaves:

    Yakan Abu Sharh, Aflah, Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad’ am, Karkara, Abu Rafi, Thawban, Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu Waqid, Kasam, Abu ‘Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, and also a black slave called Mahran who was renamed by Muhammad as Safina (‘Ship’).

    This makes 26 male slaves

    Salma Um Rafi’, Maymuna daughter of Abu Asib, Maymuna daughter of Sa’d, Khadra, Radwam, Razina, Um Damira, Rayhana, Mary the Coptic, in addition to two other maid slaves, one of them given to him as a present by his cousin, Zaynab, and the other one captured in a war.

    This makes 11 maid slaves, it is well known that he had slept with Mariam the Copt and she even bore him a son named Ibrahim prior to Muhammad marrying her.

    Ali Ibn Abi-Talib mentioned that a man had killed his slave and Muhammad scourged him only; he did not kill him. It was related on the authority of Muhammad that he said that a Muslim should not be killed for a non Muslim, nor a freeman for a slave; also because Abu Bakr and Uma Ibn al-Khattab did not kill a freeman for a slave.

    There is more which I will compile in into second post on this issue.

    As for:
    “You are exaggerating the scale of Arab slave trade which becomes an embarrassment when compared to the brutally massive trans-Atlantic slave trade of European colonialists. In any case, while torture and killing of ethnic Africans, may have occurred infrequently, but it was never of a systematic and ruthless nature as by your predecessors.”

    In addition to Azumah referenced in the video, there are two excellent books on slavery and Islam:
    “Slavery and Muslim Society in Africa”, by Allan Fisher, 1971,
    “The Slave Trade Today” by Sean O’Callaghan, 1961

  4. billy
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 4:06 PM | Permalink

    Islam has laid stringent conditions for the upkeep of slave: torture, physical abuse and bodily harm are offenses that are sufficient to warranty freedom – as per the sunnah of the Prophet.

    I can think of few greater admissions of the man made nature of Islam, that rather than destroying slavery, Allah and Mohammad simply decided to carry on with the practise so as not to disrupt the slave economies and rights of Arabs, but just said, essentially ‘treat them a little better’

    So the creator of the universe and cosmos could make and form and do anything in the blink of an eye, but he cannot abolish the wickedness of slavery.

    Amazing!

  5. Bin Ismail
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 4:19 PM | Permalink

    “Slavery in the Arab world” is in relation to a geographical entity “Arab”, inhabited and influenced by followers of many religions. If we were to examine the history of slavery in the U.S., we would obviously not be talking about slavery with reference to the Bible. When we examine the subject of slavery, in relation to the Quran, however, we read: “And what should make thee know what spiritual ascent is. It is the emancipation of a slave.” [Quran 90:12-13]. Thus the Quran declares setting free of a slave or in other words the reversal of slavery as the source of spiritual ascent, which in turn is the ultimate goal of religion itself.

    With reference to the guidance of the Prophet, we find him teaching that “feed your slaves what you feed yourselves, clothe them with what you clothe yourselves and treat them as your brethren”, an instruction that elevates their state and status both far above bondage.

    Slavery was an Arab custom, just as it was an American custom till late 18th century. Instead of banning it with a single stroke of the pen, and prematurely leaving the slaves in state of social limbo, Islam made the keeping of a slave so tasking and challenging, that maintaining a slave became more demanding a task than accommodating an honoured permanent guest. On the other hand, the freeing of a slave was promoted as a source of God’s manifest pleasure.

    Muhammad did receive the custodianship of some slaves that were in the custody of his wife Khadija, at the time of their marriage, but he freed all of them. Zaid chose to stay with Muhammad, even after he came into contact with his parents from whom he had been separated. Maria Qibtia or Mary the Copt was taken into marriage, as his lawfully wedded wife, not slave, by Muhammad. She bore him a son Ibrahim.

    Let us also not be oblivious of the fact that in the latter ages, many accounts were forged and fabricated and attributed to the Prophet. Another fact, we must also not ignore is that 14 centuries ago, there were no arrangements available to accommodate prisoners of war. There were no jails or detention camps. Prisoners of war were therefore accommodated in homes, and provided lodging and boarding that matched the comfort of those who took them. Those who maintained them, were on the other hand reminded that setting a slave free was the gateway to Paradise.

  6. azzedine
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 4:45 PM | Permalink

    Muhammed must have be the only prophet to have owned, bought and sold slaves and concubines. A perfect example for Mankind.

  7. azzedine
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 5:29 PM | Permalink

    “Muhammad had many male and female slaves. He used to buy and sell them, but he purchased more slaves then he sold. He once sold one black slave for two. His purchases of slaves were more than he sold.”

    “Muhammad had a number of black slaves. One of them was named ‘Mahran’. Muhammad forced him to do more labor than the average man. Whenever Muhammad went on a trip and he, or his people, got tired of carrying their stuff, he made Mahran carry it. Mahran said “Even if I were already carrying the load of 6 or 7 donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load”. Tabari and Jawziyya both record this, so Islam accepts this as true.”

    Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, a great scholar and Islamic historian says in his book “Zad al-Ma’ad”, part 1, p160

  8. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 5:35 PM | Permalink

    @Avicenna

    1. The Prophet married Maria the Copt before she bore him Ibrahim. Bukhari has several Hadith to prove that the companions considered her a wife of the Prophet right at the onset as she had started to veil – a sign for free woman.

    2. The persons which you have enlisted cannot be called slaves of the Prophet in the modern sense of the word. There is nothing which shows that these men or women were forced to stay in bondage or were forced to work under compulsion permanently. It rather appears that their attachment to the Prophet was of a voluntary nature. It is also known that the Prophet had set free persons like Zaid bin Haritha etc who refused to go to his parents when offered a choice. While you may claim that he owned slaves this ‘technical ownership’ was of a limited and temporary duration where the persons were either then set free or stayed on because of their own vocation.

    3. ‘Ali Ibn Abi-Talib mentioned that a man had killed his slave and Muhammad scourged him only; he did not kill him. It was related on the authority of Muhammad that he said that a Muslim should not be killed for a non Muslim, nor a freeman for a slave; also because Abu Bakr and Uma Ibn al-Khattab did not kill a freeman for a slave.’

    You need to cite a source for this. It is known for a fact that a Muslim who had murdered a non-Muslim without justification was given the capital punishment.
    I cannot say anything until I know the context for why a slave was killed or if such a narration is correct or not.

  9. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 5:44 PM | Permalink

    @billy: So the creator of the universe and cosmos could make and form and do anything in the blink of an eye, but he cannot abolish the wickedness of slavery.

    Really! The Creator took 15 billion years to create the universe but you expect him to eliminate the wickedness of slavery in the blink of an eye.

    @azzedine: Muhammed must have be the only prophet to have owned, bought and sold slaves and concubines. A perfect example for Mankind.

    How convenient! You overlooked Abraham’s owership of Hager and enslavement of women by Israelites under Joshua – as per the Bible. Prophet Muhammad, as the perfect example, demonstrated the perfect caretaking of slaves for the people of his era where slavery was an accepted institution.

  10. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 5:50 PM | Permalink

    @azzedine:

    Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya’s narrative appears centuries after the time of the Prophet and is of a very dubious nature.

  11. azzedine
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM | Permalink

    In the Sirat Rasulallah, by Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad massacred 800 males and took their women and children as slaves. He kept at least one Jewish female named Rayhana as his concubine, and gave the rest away to the Muslims. The Sirat says (p466)

    “Then the apostle divided the property, wives, and children of Banu Qurayza among the Muslims…. and “Then the apostle sent Sa’d Zayd brother of Ashhal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horse and weapons.”

  12. azzedine
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 6:12 PM | Permalink

    Amaar,

    On Ibn Qayyim, many prominent scholars have provided testimony for him. These include Al-Haafidh Ibn Rajab, Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar, al-Suyuti etc. Have a look:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Qayyim_Al-Jawziyya

    It’s your word against theirs.

    No doubt you’ll be saying things about Ibn Ishaq’s “dubious nature” and cast other aspersions.

  13. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 7:17 PM | Permalink

    @azzedine: ‘Muhammad massacred 800 males and took their women and children as slaves. He kept at least one Jewish female named Rayhana as his concubine, and gave the rest away to the Muslims. The Sirat says (p466)’

    Ah! You mean Banu Qurazah who had committed treachery and hatched plots with Meccans to destroy Muslims from within the city. If you remember correctly, the verdict was passed not by the Prophet but by Saad bin Mauz. The verdict, harsh as it was, is nonetheless based on the Jewish Law for treachery: elimination of men and selling of women/children into bondage – something which the Israelites had plenty of experience when raiding Jericho.
    If the Banu Qurazah plot had succeeded it would have been Muslims experiencing a similar fate.

  14. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 7:21 PM | Permalink

    @Azzedine:

    I have no doubt about Ibn Ishaaq’s significance as a historian. But Ibn Ishaaq was closer to the epoch of the Prophet but Qayyim and Sayuti appeared almost 7 centuries later. Sayuti, for whom I don’t have a high opinion as a historian, has also recorded plenty of apocryphal stuff and patently incorrect stuff about the Prophet’s time.

  15. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 7:23 PM | Permalink

    @azzedine: ‘.. He kept at least one Jewish female named Rayhana as his concubine’

    Are you referring to Safiya who was the legitimate wife of the Prophet?

  16. billy
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 7:42 PM | Permalink

    Really! The Creator took 15 billion years to create the universe but you expect him to eliminate the wickedness of slavery in the blink of an eye.

    When in the future the inheritors of Monty Python finally get round to making an Islamic version of ‘The Life of Brian’, your sentence above will be enshrined in what is bound to be one of the funniest, cleverest satires on religion ever written. An all time classic, and best of all, and most comically of all (and what makes it so funny), it is uttered without an atom of self-awareness.

    Thanks, Amaar.

  17. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 8:20 PM | Permalink

    Billy,
    You will make a good joker!

  18. Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 8:22 PM | Permalink

    Billy,

    On a more serious note, the original topic was slavery which is an entirely man-made structure. Since man created it, it is up to man to end it – not God.

  19. billy
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM | Permalink

    On a more serious note, the original topic was slavery which is an entirely man-made structure. Since man created it, it is up to man to end it – not God

    Standard get out of jail free card for anyone confronted with the absurdity between the claims Islam (and religion in general) makes for itself, and the detail of its actuality. It is, after all, man-made, and this is evidence for the definitive prosecution.

  20. Berber
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 12:42 AM | Permalink

    “Billy,

    On a more serious note, the original topic was slavery which is an entirely man-made structure. Since man created it, it is up to man to end it – not God.”

    But prophet mo endorsed slavery by keeping it going, and laying down laws as to how the slave should be treated!!!

    And we all know the prophet mo was perfect and to be emulated!!!!

  21. Amaar
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 2:07 AM | Permalink

    @Billy, @Berber

    While skullduggery, mockery and taunt of Islam may sound fun to you, having lost any ability to understand the opposing point of view, all I can say in response to your ignorance and arrogance is ‘Peace!’

  22. billy
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 10:04 AM | Permalink

    While skullduggery, mockery and taunt of Islam may sound fun to you

    That can be fun, yes, but its not what I was doing. You characterise it like that because that is the Islamic (and religionist in general) response to exposure.

  23. Amaar
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 6:02 PM | Permalink

    @Billy

    I am not against exposure of Islam to sincere criticism rather it is to the lack of objectivity which many of the comments here have exhibited.

    This lack of objectivity stems from two key facts:

    1. Ibne Ishaq is essentially a kitabul-maghazi (i.e. book of battles) that describes the battles fought during the era of the Prophet. What you call slaves were basically prisoners of war (POWs) who had forsaken their rights as freemen or free women because of their participation in armed conflict against Muslims. Yet the standards laid out for the upkeep of these persons were set remarkably high by Islam – feeding and clothing a POW with what one does himself is poles apart from the harsh treatment of European colonizers to their slaves.

    2. You have never compared Islamic injunctions of this practice with what the Bible teaches. As a counter-part to Islam in the Abrahimic tradition, surely any rational analyst would compare the Judeo-Christian treatment of slaves or women
    in bondage with Islamic teachings. While you will not find any urging to treat such persons as equals (correct me if I am wrong) instead what the Old Testament teaches is to kill all men without mercy, take the womenfolk as slaves and pillage/destroy utterly. This teaching was deployed during the siege of towns (e.g. Jericho) of Philistines by the maruding Israelite tribes. In all fairness, you need to compare this barbarity to the very restrained handling by the Prophet to see where Islam stands vis-vis Judeo-Christian civilization.

  24. billy
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 6:06 PM | Permalink

    I am not against exposure of Islam to sincere criticism rather it is to the lack of objectivity which many of the comments here have exhibited.

    When objectivity means anything that results in your beliefs being vindicated, then yeah, I suppose you’re right.

  25. Amaar
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 6:32 PM | Permalink

    @Billy,

    ‘When objectivity means anything that results in your beliefs being vindicated, then yeah, I suppose you’re right.’

    At least try to answer the two points which I have raised above.

  26. Mubarak
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 10:46 PM | Permalink

    I can think of few greater admissions of the man made nature of Islam, that rather than destroying slavery, Allah and Mohammad simply decided to carry on with the practise so as not to disrupt the slave economies and rights of Arabs, but just said, essentially ‘treat them a little better’

    It went a lot further than “treat them a little better”. A more accurate statement would be, “treat them like you treat yourselves”. This is probably why many slaves accepted islam. Bilal being a case in point.

    Slavery was a harsh reality of the time. If God had followed your wishes and commanded the Muslims to free their slaves at once, there would have been a huge homeless problem. In case you weren’t aware, unemployment agencies did not exist at the time.

    Bin ismail in his comment on January 11, 2011 stated a verse in the Quran that encourages emancipation of slavery.

    Now I would like to share some quotes from historians.


    Mohammedanism [Islam] found its Negro converts at home in a state of freedom and independence of the teachers who brought it to them. When it was offered to them they were at liberty to choose for themselves. The Arab missionaries, whom we have met in the interior, go about without ‘purse or script’, and disseminate their religion by quietly teaching the Qur’an. The native missionaries — Mandingoes and Foulahs — unite with the propagation of their faith active trading. Wherever they go, they produce the impression that they are not preachers only, but traders… And in this way, silently and unobtrusively, they are causing princes to become obedient disciples and zealous propagators of Islam. These converts, as a general thing, become Muslims from choice and conviction…

    (Christianity, Islam and the Negro Race, by Dr. Edward Wilmot Blyden)


    In this whole story of the so-called ‘Arab slave trade’ the truth has been strangely twisted.

    W.E.B. DUBOIS (The World and Africa, page 68)


    Modern slavery was created by Christians, it was continued by Christians, it was in some respects more barbarous than anything the world had yet seen, and its worst features were to be witnessed in countries that were most ostentatious in their parade of Christianity.

    (Ibid, page 44)


    As in other parts of the world, literacy in Africa was connected with religion, so that in Islamic countries it was a Koranic education…Moslem education was particularly extensive at the primary level, and it was also available at the secondary and university levels. In Egypt there was the Al-Azhar University, in Morocco the university of Fez, and in Mall the University of Timbuktu — all testimony to the standard of education achieved in Africa before the colonial intrusion.

    Dr. Walter Rodney(How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, page 240)


    The Mohammadan religion also had participated in the suppression of slave trade. About six years before, the Sharif of Mecca had sent a letter to the King of Fulas for circulation through all these ‘Mandingo’ tribes, strictly prohibiting the selling of slaves — and which latter was also promulgated among the Yorubas, Fulanis and other neighboring tribes. The slave traffic was declared to be contrary to the teachings of Muhammad (On whom Be Peace) which pronounce the most fearful denunciations of Allah’s wrath in the world hereafter against those who persist in the traffic with the European nations.

    (Sierra Leone Studies, pgs. 18-19, Vol. No. XXI, 939)

  27. Mubarak
    Posted January 12, 2011 at 11:37 PM | Permalink

    When objectivity means anything that results in your beliefs being vindicated, then yeah, I suppose you’re right.

    By objectivity I think he means less to do with our beliefs being vindicated and more to do with you being vindictive.

  28. Abu Faris
    Posted January 13, 2011 at 2:57 AM | Permalink

    Amaar

    With respect, you do not have a clue about which you write. I note that on the thread about Sudan, you effectively deny (by a trickery of deflection and whataboutery) the existence of a very active slave trade in Sudan now or in the past.

    Even the Sudanese will find your stupidity inexcusable. Here you assert that even if such slaving exists it is non-Islamic – that will come as cold comfort to the slaves who lived opposite me the last time I lived in Khartoum.

    Idiot.

  29. beth
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 6:31 AM | Permalink

    for 1 thing i admire the muslims, they r so patient. neither do they abuse u nor ur religion. Y do v westerners r so rude ? A question can b askd politely also. Hav v forgotten jesus?

  30. Frigid North
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM | Permalink

    beth

    fuck off.

  31. Stuart Parsons
    Posted February 22, 2011 at 4:38 AM | Permalink

    Reference Muhammad and slaves. The Quran, which is the word of Muhammad not the word of Allah, authorised Muhammad and his men to rape those whom their right hand possessed….. that is slave women and the wives and daughters of those men they killed and captured in battle. See Quran 23:6 and 33:52

    A number of hadiths also refer to Muhammad and his men raping captive women. There are also many references to this practice in the Sirah of Ishaq, Tabari and Kathir.

    Face up to it Islam. Muhammad was a 7th century Arabian barbarian who lied, plotted, murdered, tortured, killed, executed and robbed, ransomed and raped his way to power.

    Muhammad was a pathological narcissist, as was Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin and Pol Pot. Such men have delusions of granduer and lying is second nature to them.

  32. esben
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 4:08 PM | Permalink

    try to write black iraqis claims discrimination on youtube search engine

  33. esben
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 4:09 PM | Permalink

    try to write eastern european women slave trade or the barbary coast slave trade

  34. Stuart Parsons
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM | Permalink

    In the Quran, Allah (Muhammad) says it is O.K to have sex with those who your right hand (sword hand) possess, i.e slaves and the women and daughters (over 9) of the men Muslims have killed or captured in battle….. Muhammad’s wives complained because he had sex with a slave girl. Muhammad was a delusional, narcissistic self-proclaimed ‘Prophet and Messenger’. He ordered the MURDER or mutilation of all who spoke out against him. He and his booty and sex motivated followers, plotted, lied, killed, tortured, robbed, ransomed and raped their way to total political and religious power.

    Islam is a far greater threat to the well-being of mankind than Fascism, Communism and the Hordes of Genghis Khan ever were. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for the actual existence of Allah, Muhammad was the authot of the hate filled Quran and the whole Islamic edifice is built on the delusional Ideas of the mentally deranged Muhammad.

  35. william henderson
    Posted April 5, 2011 at 10:01 AM | Permalink

    Stuart Parsons

    “Islam is a far greater threat to the well-being of mankind than Fascism, Communism and the Hordes of Genghis Khan ever were.”

    very true, and their underlying spirit is almost identical.
    violent conquest and the total control of the masses.

  36. big mo
    Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:33 PM | Permalink

    Islam Liberated Europe, from the dark ages, Defeated the Crusading murderers of the Cross, Defeated and saved The World from the Mongolian Hordes, Killed Count Dracula and his demon Army. And Preserved the sacred writings of Ancient Cvilization and re educated Man kind. And established The Magna Carta of Human Rights. In the Islamic world Slaves became Kings and Rulers. All Ancient Empires were Co opted under this great Civilian Theocracy.

    White Christian Supremacy Failed The Europeans Miserably Mis educated Humanity and kept it in Darkness for a Millenia Till Islam Turned The lights Back on! Adolf Hitler, Adolf Aichmen were jews and Christians The Catholic Church protected Hitlers Butchers White Judeo-Christianity Spawned Fascism Communism, and Your perverted greedy Democracy =Zionazism.

    We The Mighty Muslims Of Islam Defeated You all Once Before and we will do it again!
    So William Henderson and Stuart Parsons are liers and frauds.
    And be advised that there was no such thing as a sub saharan arab slave trade.
    But there was an Atlantic slave trade because I myself am a Victim and descendant of it.

  37. bilbo
    Posted June 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM | Permalink

    “Amaar
    Posted January 11, 2011 at 8:22 PM | Permalink

    Billy,

    On a more serious note, the original topic was slavery which is an entirely man-made structure. Since man created it, it is up to man to end it – not God.”

    that excuses everything, doesn’t it?
    it also makes god irrelevant as he(?) now exercises no power on earth, its all up to us.

  38. william henderson
    Posted June 5, 2011 at 11:14 AM | Permalink

    big mo
    Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:33 PM | Permalink

    only a bit tongue-in-cheek?

  39. Stuart Parsons
    Posted June 5, 2011 at 11:37 PM | Permalink

    Big Mo, could you back up your accusation that I am a liar and and a fraud.

    Does not Allah (Muhammad) in many verses of the Quran call upon Muslims to fight non-Muslims until they are either DEAD have CONVERTED to Islam or admit they are defeated and must SUBMIT to Muslim rule. E.G 9:29 Does not Allah (Muhammad) also stress that Mulsims must not take unbelievers as friends, except in apprehension, when they find themselves living as a minority amongst an infidel majority. And does not Allah (Muhammad) caution (threaten) you of Himself that you should remember that it He who will judge you on the last day E.g 3:28

    A final point. Almost without exception, apostates of Islam say a big factor in their deciding to leave the ‘religion’ was that they read the Quran and came to realise how false, unpleasant and violent the ‘religion’ was. With reference to slavery, Muslims appear to be the slaves a their deluded and narcissistic, false ‘Prophet’ and his mythical Allah.

    Your BELIEF in Allah is no more than a belief. That is ‘I think Allah exists, but I have no verifiable proof to support my belief.’ If you have verifiable proof for the actual existence of your God, please please present it.

    I have no wish to be unpleasant to you Mo, but your belief, like that of all religionist, is not backed by any verifiable evidence.

  40. Modi
    Posted November 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM | Permalink

    To Stuart Parsons

    Islam is not Christianity ,Islam is a way of life,its a system ,If you want to reduce Islam into Christianity way of doing things then your wrong ,Christianity is only few hours on Sunday.While Islam we are suppose to submit our selves to the will of GOD.God has given us a constitution Quran which should guide us in our business life relation health ,drinking eating and governance and the Islamic Government in charge should execute the laws as prescribed in Quraan no one should go against it . Just like the constitution of your country is a guide to your life ,Business ,relation and governance and any thing going against the constitution is punishment and some of the punishment is death .Did you know capital punishment is death in most Christian country.why would Death be acceptable to those who go against constitution of your country developed by Human and death to be unacceptable to those who go against Constitution of Islam quraan .

    If America and Europe is forcing democracy in the throats of Muslims countries at expense of people lives ,Don’t you think its trying to convert us by force ,Do you thing Iraq democracy was brought by soft words ,it was enforced by Guns and jet fighters . As a result over million people died 80% children and women .Is it justified !!!

    If America and Europe wants to spread its philosophy,system and concept of governance to the world by iron fist ,then we want Islam to spread like wise but in more civilized manner .Its simply a clash between civilization a good and evil ,your system is evil .that is way you have failed in your own country and in Iraq, Afghanistan and mention any where in the Muslim world you have failed to convince the Muslims that your system is better than we Muslims

  41. Chessmaster
    Posted January 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM | Permalink

    Hmmmm.

  42. Sally Standley
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 1:31 AM | Permalink

    1-I don’t care about all the excuses and reasons that justified/justify slavery. Its was and is evil. Period. No LOVING TRUE GOD would or does excuse or allow it.
    2-Wickedness brought slavery. What ever form that is represented by.
    3-Thank God its been abolished almost in it’s entirety today.
    4-I thank God for the exposure this author Avicenna has brought forth. What is wicked will, and always be brought to the “light.”
    5-This author can be proud of his works and I applaud his effort and integrity. THANK YOU again for exposing truth!

  43. azeddine
    Posted July 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM | Permalink

    you make mistakes, Prophet taught us that there is only God who owns us. allahu huwa maulakum say the holy quran ..

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