From the article, Muslim women going to college:
Hazrat maulana Masihullah (ra) said: I take oath by Allah and say: Give women Deeni education and then see their superiority. You will then witness in them intelligence, understanding and even accomplishment in such worldly affairs which pertain to them. Women who possess degrees of B.A. and M.A. cannot compete in understanding and intelligence with women who have acquired Deeni knowledge. Yes, in deception and schemes the Western educated woman may be ahead. But, remember that words of intelligence will only come from a woman of piety.“

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Yes, good little Shi’i girls can even see Imam Ali’s mosque and the K’abah from their windows if they study their deen…no such luck for naughty Western (grrrrr) educated girls who have to use Google Earth.
Is the exhibition mentioned online do you know?
hardly worse than spitoon contributor bananabrain who every morning, being an orthodox jew, says these vile racist, sexist words:
” Thank you G-d for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave”
and yet you misogynists employ him and have him write for you a clear sign of your hatred of women!!!!
and yet you misogynists employ him and have him write for you a clear sign of your hatred of women!!!!
Curious whataboutery from someone who believes that al-Awlaki was right to support the al-Shabab, which stoned to death a 13-year old girl for adultery.
*sigh* you really don’t know very much about judaism, do y0u, generic-islamist-who-signs-up-under-lots-of-different-names-but-writes-the-same-way-every-time?
this is about what we call the “yoke of Torah”, in other words, the obligation to observe the 613 miswoth or commandments. i am thankful for having been born into the covenant which obliges me (although, with people like you around the place, i often wonder why) but nonetheless, as a free-born jewish man:
1. i have the opportunity to demonstrate my love of G!D by observing 613 commandments, rather than the 7 demanded of non-jews.
2. i have the opportunity to demonstrate my love of G!D by observing the positive time-bound commandments (such as the set timings for morning, afternoon and evening prayers) from which women are exempt. (some people also note that, as a jewish man, jewish women – or mrs bananabrain at any rate – are consequently available to me, hurrah!)
3. i have the opportunity to demonstrate my love of G!D free from the demands of any master or sovereign but the Divine, which a slave would not be able to do.
therefore, i thank G!D for Enabling me to have the opportunity to fulfil the commandments concerned.
just a little thought experiment, generic-islamist-who-signs-up-under-lots-of-different-names-but-writes-the-same-way-every-time; are *you* thankful for not being a non-muslim? are you thankful to G!D that you are a man (of sorts) and, surely, you are thankful for being free to come here and talk utter shite, as opposed to shovelling it on some horrid plantation somewhere?
b’shalom
bananabrain
bananabrain
Just think -if I didnt know much about Islam I could write for Spitoon like Faisal Gazi or Abu Faris etc do
generic? moi?
http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/orthodox.jew.rally.jpg
“Yes we are all individuals”
“Yes, we are all different!”
Whats fascinating is Spitoons hypocrisy and double standards. When it comes to Judaism/religions other than Islam they have writers who are strictly orthodox . When it comes to Islam they focus on heresy and promoting it
I wonder what Faisal Gazi and the other progressives at Spitoon think of some of the 613 mitzvots you observe (imagine if a Muslim said one of these)
Opposing sin
36 To rebuke the sinner (Lev. 19:17) (CCA72)
Extreme discrimination against non-believers and banning intermarriage
56 Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3) (CCN19
57 To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3) (affirmative).
58 To lend to an alien at interest (Deut. 23:21) According to tradition, this is mandatory (affirmative)
65 That a mamzer shall not marry the daughter of a Jew (Deut. 23:3) (CCN137). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
66. That an Ammonite or Moabite shall never marry the daughter of an Israelite (Deut. 23:4) (negative)
190 Not to compel the Hebrew servant to do the work of a slave (Lev. 25:39) (negative).
199 To keep the Canaanite slave forever (Lev. 25:46) (affirmative).
279 Not to kidnap any person of Israel (Ex. 20:13)
171 Not to make a loan to an Israelite on interest (Lev. 25:37) (CCN54).
Saudi/”Islamist” punishments
74 That the woman suspected of adultery shall be dealt with as prescribed in the Torah (Num. 5:30) (affirmative).
285 That the Court shall pass sentence of death by decapitation with the sword (Ex. 21:20; Lev. 26:25) (affirmative)
288 That the Court shall pass sentence of death by stoning (Deut. 22:24) (affirmative).
Homophobia
103 Not to commit sodomy with a male (Lev. 18:22) (CCN116).
Religious freedom
311 Not to refrain from putting a false prophet to death nor to be in fear of him (Deut. 18:22) (negative).
Respect for Hindus/ non-monotheists
324 To destroy idolatry and its appurtenances (Deut. 12:2-3) (affirmative).
332 Not to adopt the institutions of idolaters nor their customs (Lev. 18:3; Lev. 20:23) (CCN21).
334 Not to suffer any one practicing witchcraft to live (Ex. 22:17) (negative)
345 Not to remove the entire beard, like the idolaters (Lev. 19:27) (CCN177).
352 Not to show favor to idolaters (Deut. 7:2) (CCN20).
353 Not to make a covenant with the seven (Canaanite, idolatrous) nations (Ex. 23:32; Deut. 7:2) (negative).
354 Not to settle idolaters in our land (Ex. 23:33) (negative) (CCI26).
355 To slay the inhabitants of a city that has become idolatrous and burn that city (Deut. 13:16-17) (affirmative).
402 That an uncircumcised person shall not eat of the t’rumah (heave offering), and the same applies to other holy things. This rule is inferred from the law of the Paschal offering, by similarity of phrase (Ex. 12:44-45 and Lev. 22:10) but it is not explicitly set forth in the Torah. Traditionally, it has been learnt that the rule that the uncircumcised must not eat holy things is an essential principle of the Torah and not an enactment of the Scribes (negative). See Brit Milah: Circumcision
465 Not to give flesh of the Paschal lamb to a stranger who lives among you to eat (Ex. 12:45) (negative)
Women’s rights
301 That the violator (of an unbetrothed virgin) shall marry her (Deut. 22:28-29) (affirmative).
302 That one who has raped a damsel and has then (in accordance with the law) married her, may not divorce her (Deut. 22:29)
378 That a kohein shall not marry a divorced woman (Lev. 21:7) (CCN140).
572 That a menstruating woman is unclean and defiles others (Lev. 15:19-24) (affirmative).
573 That a woman, having a running issue, defiles (Lev. 15:25-27) (affirmative).
Promotion of genocide
601 Not to keep alive any of the seven Canaanite nations (Deut. 20:16) (negative).
602 To exterminate the seven Canaanite nations from the land of Israel (Deut. 20:17) (affirmative)
607 Not to offer peace to the Ammonites and the Moabites before waging war on them, as should be done to other nations (Deut. 23:7) (negative).
613 To destroy the seed of Amalek (Deut. 25:19) (CCA77).
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
Any comments Faisal? What do you think of these rules bananabrain lives his life by? (bet he wont answer)
Fair enough thats your explanation. The fact that Spitoon will attack Muslim scholars for saying much the same (this is after all what this whole post is about) and not give them oppurtunity to explain, whilst employing someone like you of a different faith who adheres to exactly the same/similiar notions is what exposes them for the frauds they are .
They wont respond to the issues raised but rather just smear and abuse as is their methodology
spot the anti-semite on this thread.
spot quahog the apologist for religious fascism playing the racism card
spot the semi-professional, no-win no fee Islamist victim.
ISRAELI JEW, WOMAN, WANT TO PRAY AT THE KOTEL? GO TO JAIL.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/tag/jewish-misogyny/
In the wonderful religion of Judaism, where women are considered dirty, men can only have sex with their wives through a hole in the sheet
The Hole in the Sheet: A Modern Woman Looks at Orthodox and Hasidic Judaism by Evelyn Kaye
http://www.amazon.com/Hole-Sheet-Orthodox-Hasidic-Judaism/dp/081840437X
Hole In The Sheet: Sex Rules Of Gerrer Hasidim
Extreme sexual prudishness in the guise of hasidut.
Shearim writes about Sarah Einfeld, a former Gerrer hasid whose story has received quite a bit of attention in Israel:
…[As a child,] she always asked herself why her uncles would not even look at her. No one answered her questions and finally she found out that those are the modesty rules of the group. One day, at the age of 18, she came home from school and her mother told her that they found a Shidduch for her. She spoke to this Chassid for two hours and the next time she saw him was under the Chuppah [at her own wedding].
In her blog, she quotes some women who said that their wedding night was nothing but “rape”. Chassidut Gur has wild sex Takanot and, among others, men and women only uncover the “necessary” body parts…
Basically you are going into bed with a person you do not even know. Here, she emphasizes, that it is the same (bad) experience for a man and a woman.
“It was a total rape. I felt dirty and I wanted to push him down from my body”…
[For Gerrer hasidim] everything is determined [by the rebbe and group leadership] and so-called “Madrichim-Guides” even watch over everyone’s sex lives.…
Two years ago, I posted on some Gerrer sex rules as reported by an insider:
[G]errer men:
1) cannot show any affection towards their wives (chibuk v’neishuk [hugging and kissing]) even during intimacy
2) cannot be with their wife (outside of mikva night) unless they get permission from their “kommadent” (superior)
3) wives must walk in back of husbands
4) After giving birth wife cannot go to mikvah for 1/2 year [so the couple cannot have sex for those six months].
failedmessiah.typepad.com/…/hole-in-the-sheet-sex-rules-of-gerrer-hasidim-234.html
http://kvetcher.net/2010/01/4444/hole-in-the-sheet-urban-legend-confirmed/
http://shearim.blogspot.com/2009/12/sarah-einfeld-former-gerrer-chassidiya.html
http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/sztokman/entry/a_hole_in_the_sheet
5. Education of Women
The difference between the Biblical and the Quranic conceptions of women is not limited to the newly born female, it extends far beyond that. Let us compare their attitudes towards a female trying to learn her religion. The heart of Judaism is the Torah, the law. However, according to the Talmud, “women are exempt from the study of the Torah.”
Some Jewish Rabbis firmly declared “Let the words of Torah rather be destroyed by fire than imparted to women”, and “Whoever teaches his daughter Torah is as though he taught her obscenity”8
The attitude of St. Paul in the New Testament is not brighter:
“As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
How can a woman learn if she is not allowed to speak? How can a woman grow intellectually if she is obliged to be in a state of full submission? How can she broaden her horizons if her one and only source of information is her husband at home?
Now, to be fair, we should ask: is the Quranic position any different? One short story narrated in the Quran sums its position up concisely. Khawlah was a Muslim woman whose husband Aws pronounced this statement at a moment of anger: “You are to me as the back of my mother.” This was held by pagan Arabs to be a statement of divorce which freed the husband from any conjugal responsibility but did not leave the wife free to leave the husband’s home or to marry another man. Having heard these words from her husband, Khawlah was in a miserable situation. She went straight to the Prophet of Islam to plead her case. The Prophet was of the opinion that she should be patient since there seemed to be no way out. Khawla kept arguing with the Prophet in an attempt to save her suspended marriage. Shortly, the Quran intervened; Khawla’s plea was accepted. The divine verdict abolished this iniquitous custom. One full chapter (Chapter 58) of the Quran whose title is “Almujadilah” or “The woman who is arguing” was named after this incident:
“Allah has heard and accepted the statement of the woman who pleads with you (the Prophet) concerning her husband and carries her complaint to Allah, and Allah hears the arguments between both of you for Allah hears and sees all things….” (58:1).
A woman in the Quranic conception has the right to argue even with the Prophet of Islam himself. No one has the right to instruct her to be silent. She is under no obligation to consider her husband the one and only reference in matters of law and religion.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_comparison_full.htm#_Toc335566657
6. UNCLEAN IMPURE WOMAN ?
Jewish laws and regulations concerning menstruating women are extremely restrictive. The Old Testament considers any menstruating woman as unclean and impure. Moreover, her impurity “infects” others as well. Anyone or anything she touches becomes unclean for a day:
“When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening” (Lev. 15:19-23).
Due to her “contaminating” nature, a menstruating woman was sometimes “banished” in order to avoid any possibility of any contact with her. She was sent to a special house called “the house of uncleanness” for the whole period of her impurity. 9 The Talmud considers a menstruating woman “fatal” even without any physical contact:
“Our Rabbis taught:….if a menstruant woman passes between two (men), if it is at the beginning of her menses she will slay one of them, and if it is at the end of her menses she will cause strife between them” (bPes. 111a.)
Furthermore, the husband of a menstruous woman was forbidden to enter the synagogue if he had been made unclean by her even by the dust under her feet. A priest whose wife, daughter, or mother was menstruating could not recite priestly blessing in the synagogue. 10 No wonder many Jewish women still refer to menstruation as “the curse.” 11
Islam does not consider a menstruating woman to possess any kind of “contagious uncleanness”. She is neither “untouchable” nor “cursed.” She practises her normal life with only one restriction: A married couple are not allowed to have sexual intercourse during the period of menstruation. Any other physical contact between them is permissible. A menstruating woman is exempted from some rituals such as daily prayers and fasting during her period.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_comparison_full.htm#_Toc335566658
Education Levels of Women in Pakistan
http://iqrapakonline.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/womens-education-in-pakistan/
The situation is especially alarming in rural areas due to social and cultural obstacles. One of the most deplorable aspects is that in some places, particularly northern tribal areas, the education of girls is strictly prohibited on religious grounds. This is a gross misinterpretation of Islam, the dominant religion in Pakistan (96 per cent of the population), which like all religions urges men and women to acquire education.
The situation is the most critical in NWFP and Baluchistan, where the female literacy rate stands between 3 per cent and 8 per cent. Some government organizations and non-governmental organizations have tried to open formal and informal schools in these areas, but the local landlords, even when they have little or nothing to do with religion or religious parties, oppose such measures, apparently out of fear that people who become literate will cease to follow them with blind faith. Unfortunately, the government has not so far taken any steps to promote literacy or girls= education in these areas. It is even reluctant to help NGOs or other small political or religious parties do the job, because in order to maintain control, it needs the support of these landlords and chieftains who, as members of the two major political parties, are regularly elected to the national assembly.
Taliban ban ‘un-Islamic’ female education in Pakistan region
Swat is just one front the militants have opened up as violence has spread across Northwest Frontier province from adjoining semi-autonomous tribal areas that border Afghanistan.
In one week last month, according to a senior military official, militants beheaded 13 people, including police. Many families have fled for nearby cities, while many police officers have deserted or refused to serve.
“There is no government here,” the military official said.
Last month, the Taliban issued an ultimatum warning parents against sending their daughters to school, calling female education “un-Islamic.”
Government schools have been shut down, and about 300 private schools due to reopen next month after the winter break will probably remain closed, a senior official said. He said the militants have destroyed or damaged about 175 girls’ schools in recent months.
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has warned that the militants would pay for their actions.
“Nobody will be allowed to challenge the writ of the government,” a statement issued from the prime minister’s office quoted him as saying on Friday.
Under Taliban rule, Afghanistan in the 1990s banned education for girls and forced most working women to return to their homes.
Since their 2001 ouster, the Taliban have been blamed for scores of arson attacks on schools in Afghanistan, many of them built with Western aid. An acid attack by insurgents last year maimed several girls.
The rise of Taliban groups in Pakistan has brought similar violence, especially in Swat, a relatively progressive area that until recently drew tourists from across Pakistan.
Muslim Khan, the militants’ spokesman, said they would not allow girls’ schools to operate until the army withdraws from the valley and Islamic law is imposed. “These schools are being run under a system introduced by the British and promote obscenity and vulgarity in society,” Khan said by telephone from an undisclosed location.
Rape Laws in Islamic Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLN11ym5uXE
Pakistan: Rape of minor girls on the rise
Incidents of rape involving minor girls have risen considerably in the
NWFP because of law-enforcement agencies’ inability to take effective measures to
curb such atrocities, a report issued by an NGO said. It said a large number of
rapes of minor girls were reported in the media. It was reported that offenders in
these cases were either on the run or were using their clout to coerce the victims’
families to settle the matter without making a fuss in this regard.
Criticizing the apathy of the local administration and police, Mrasta’s monthly
report cited a case of sexual abuse reported in the media in which a five-year-old
girl was assaulted by one Janas Khan in the Mansehra district, adding that medical
reports had confirmed the abuse.
The accused, it was reported, was still at large. In another case reported on May
25, a 13-year-old girl was gang-raped by nine people in Kucha Dheri in the Nowshera
district. The accused in the case had not yet been arrested. On May 27, two girls of
20 and 15 years of age were raped by four people in the Chughalpura locality of
Peshawar. The police had not yet been able to arrest the culprits in this case as
well. Another case reported in the media on May 28, two boys below the age of 15
raped two girls aged seven and 11 years in the Swat district. Both the accused were
reported to be in police custody.
Expressing indignation at the occurrence of such incidents, an office-bearer of the
NGO said they were a matter of embarrassment for what is being called Islamic
society and the nation as well. [Source: DAWN]
http://acr.hrschool.org/mainfile.php/0185/330/
Exorcism : A Tool to Rape Pakistan Girls
The whole of country, especially Punjab province is filled with fake Pirs, Aamils, Najoomees and such species who are freely and publicly running their “business” in all the cities, towns and in the villages. These fishy characters sprout from the annual urs and melas in the villages and from there after getting polished in this trade, they head towards towns and cities to practice it out.
The biggest victim of these exorcists are the girls and women. I previously thought that perhaps only the backward and ignorant girls are sexually exploited by such pirs and aamils, but now after getting know some real world stories by the girls who I know, I am stunned as how these aamils are exploiting the girls of educated families belonging to posh areas in the name of freeing them from evil spirits.
Two women were killed while one sustained burn injuries after being thrown into a fire by an exorcist on the pretext of exorcising demons in Mirpur Khas, Geo T.V. channel reported on last Friday. Three women had been taken to an amil (exorcist) by their in-laws to get evil spirits possessing them expelled. As I read this news, I shuddered and I recalled one such incident in the college where I taught last year to the Matric class.
A girl who was very bright and very nice fell very ill. She then stopped coming to college and one day I heard that she had committed suicide. After inquiry from her mother, who is also a teacher, I came to know that as her illness was not coming under control, her mother took that girl to a Pir Saheb, who treated her for one week and then ordered the family to leave the girl over the weekend and take back her on Monday fully recovered. Her mother requested Pir Saheb that she also wanted to stay with her daugher, to which Pir Saheb agreed but allowed her to stay outside of room in night during the “treatment”. When on Monday, the family came to receive the girl, they found her in worst condition, badly bruised, and a small wooden stick was inserted into her vagina. Pir was nowhere to be found. They hurried her to the hospital where she barely managed to survive but committed suicide 15 days later.
There are so so many cases like that in which girls become victim of such amils, pirs and babas. Even the education cannot stop desperate parents to not to opt to go to pirs. That clearly menas that there is a huge problem with our education and social system. All these mazaars, grave worshipping places, Aastanaas, pir khanaas and the likes are the root cause of this evil.
http://www.pakspectator.com/exorcism-a-tool-to-rape-pakistan-girls/
PAKISTAN: Young girl allegedly raped by 11 persons and paraded naked
The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has received a report of the alleged gang rape of a 16-year-old girl by 11 persons in Ubaro Town, Ghotki district, Sindh province, Pakistan on 27 January 2007. We were informed that the victim was forced to parade in naked back home by the alleged perpetrators. We were also informed that no proper police investigation has been initiated into this case due to alleged pressure from the Minister of Irrigation of Sindh provincial government. The police simply arrested five out of 11 persons for a simple inquiry based on the girl’s father’s complaint in order to calm the local people’s protest. However, no charges of rape and abduction have been filed by the police against the alleged perpetrators. Meanwhile, the victim was forcibly discharged from the government hospital in Sukkur City Civil hospital on the instructions of the police and she and her family are facing severe threats by the perpetrators to withdraw the complaint against them. We were also informed that the doctor, who examined the victim, allegedly provided a false medical report that the girl was not raped due to heavy pressure from the influential persons. The report of the second medical examination done at the Sukkur City Civil Hospital has not yet made public.
CASE DETAILS:
A 16-year-old girl Miss Nasima is living in Habib Labano village, Langho Union Council, Ubaro Town, Ghotki district, Sindh province, Pakistan. On 27 January 2007, she was abducted along with her mother Ms. Zareena from her home by 11 persons living in the same village. They include Mr. Abdul Sattar Labano, Mr. Moor Zado, Mr. Abdul Jabbar, Mr. Munawar Hussian, Mr. Mohammad Anwar Hussain Labano, Mr. Khadim Hussain Labano, Mr. Ali Hassan, Mr. Shah Baig and Mr. Shabeer Loung. Mr. Abdul Sattar Labano is the father of Mr. Mohammad Anwar Hussain Labano and the other perpetrators are their close relatives.
The girl was then taken to the house of one local influential person namely Mr. Abdul Sattar Labano. The mother was released, while the girl was taken into a room. According to the girl, she was first raped by Mr. Mohammad Anwar Hussain Labano and then by his father Mr. Abdul Sattar Labano before she was fainted. She does not clearly remember what happened to her after that. Meanwhile, the girl’s mother shouted for help outside the house and several women and men gathered upon hearing her cry. The group shouted and knocked on the door loudly. Afraid that the police might arrive the perpetrators became scared and and kicked the naked girl outside the house. When they found no police outside, the perpetrators rudely ordered the girl to go home remaining naked.
It is alleged that the girl’s cousin namely Mr. Bhan Labano fell in love with a girl who was a friend of one of the alleged perpetrators. They then secretly married and left for another town. The perpetrators were against this marriage because of caste differences between the two families. Both families belong to Labano caste but the victim’s family is from lowest level of the same Labano caste. The perpetrators led by Mr. Abdul Sattar Labano had been allegedly threatening the victim’s family to break the marriage and produce the man before them, saying that otherwise the victim’s family would face dangerous consequences. On January 27, the perpetrators finally barged into the victim’s house and abducted her and her mother, when her father was not at home.
Soon after being released from the house, some people took the girl to the government hospital in Sukkur City for a medical examination. The female doctor Ms. Zaib-ul Nisa conducted the examination on the girl but declared in her medical report that she was about four months pregnant. The female doctor later reportedly said that she denied rape of the girl because of heavy pressure from influential persons.
Local people infuriated by the doctor’s report, began to protest outside the hospital and marched into the Ubaro town. However, Mr. Aftab Farooqi, Sub Inspector and investigation wing-in-charge of the Ubaro police station, has allegedly refused to register the case of rape. However, the police later simply recorded the complaint of the girl’s father to calm down the local people’s protest but still refused to register the rape charges against the perpetrators, saying that they cannot institute the rape case without medical confirmation by law. As a result, no First Information Report (FIR), which is the crucial first step to seek prosecution of the offenders, has been registered and subsequently any charges of rape and abduction have not been filed against the alleged perpetrators by the police.
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2007/2203/
Bangladesh
Trafficking
Police estimate more than 15,000 women and children are smuggled out of Bangladesh every year. (“Boys, rescued in India while being smuggled to become jockeys in camel races,” http://www.elsiglo.com, 19 February 1998)
As of February 1998, there were 200 Bangladeshi children and women awaiting repatriation in different Indian shelters. (“Boys, rescued in India while being smuggled to become jockeys in camel races,” http://www.elsiglo.com, 19 February 1998)
Bangladesh and Nepal are the main sources of trafficked children in south Asia. (Masako Iijima, “S. Asia urged to unite against child prostitution,” Reuters, 19 June 1998)
27,000 Bangladeshi women and children have been forced into prostitution in Indian brothels. (Centre for Women and Children Studies reports, “Women Forced into Indian Brothels,” June 1998)
More than 200,000 Bangladeshi women were trafficked from 1990 to 1997, with 6,000 children trafficked, abducted or reported missing during that time. (Center for Women and Children’s Study report, Zahiduzzaman Faruque, “Women, children trafficking in Bangladesh,” Kyodo, 5 May 1998)
Over the last decade, 200,000 Bangladeshi girls were lured under false circumstances and sold into the sex industry in nations including Pakistan, India and the Middle East. (Tabibul Islam, “Rape of Minors Worry Parents,” Inter Press Service, 8 April 1998)
A non-government source reports that about 200,000 women and children have been trafficked to the Middle East in the last 20 years. Different human rights activists and agencies estimate 200-400 young women and children are smuggled out every month, most of them from Bangladesh to Pakistan. A women lawyers’ association estimates that on an average, 4500 women and children from Bangladesh are being trafficked to Pakistan each year and at least 200,000 women have been trafficked to Pakistan over the last 10 years. The Indian Social Welfare Board estimates that there are 500,000 foreign prostitutes in India – 1 percent are from Bangladesh and 2.7% of prostitutes in Calcutta are from Bangladesh. (Bangladesh CEDAW Report, 1 April 1997)
More than 15,000 women and children are trafficked out of Bangladesh every year. (Police estimates, http://www.webpage.com/hindu/daily/980220/03/03200004.htm 19 February 1998)
Every day, over 50 women and children are trafficked out of Bangladesh through the land border areas. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, UBINIG, p.8, 1995)
500 Bangladeshi women are illegally transported into Pakistan every day. (Press Statement, Bangladesh National Women Lawyers Association, “Open sale of little girls at Tanbaza brothel,” Daily Star, 2 July 1998)
About 200 Bangladeshi women and children are smuggled out of the country each day, most end up as prostitutes. Many of the women and children are extremely poor, and lured with false promises. (“Human Smuggling from Banglsdesh at alarming level,” Reuters, 26 may 1997)
In Bangladesh, the collection points for trafficked women are usually far from the border points. Women rescued in Dinajpur (in the North) were from Cox’s Bazar (in the South). Girls from the southern part of Bangladesh are usually trafficked across the northern borders. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, p.19, UBINIG, 1995)
During the past ten years an organized gang sold more than 10,000 women from Chapainababong to traffickers. A young girl was sold by her mother to a trafficker for 10,000 takas. Families are targeted who have daughters eligible for marriage and are very poor. There is a demand for Bangladeshi girls. (Daily Sangbad report, 16 August 1993, Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, pp.34, 35 & 36, Daily Sangbad, 16 August 1993, UBINIG, 1995)
In Kushtia area, some villages are used as stations for the traffickers. Rajshahi borders of Bidirpur and Premtali are used because there are fewer check points. Jessore border is very popular with traffickers. Some hotels and godwons are used to keep the girls brought from different parts of the country. At least 13 women are being trafficked every day. In eight months police could rescue only 28 women who were being trafficked, and arrest 38 traffickers. Usually the traffickers are not accompanying the women while crossing the border. Therefore, it is difficult for the border police to arrest them. There are female members in the trafficking gang, which helps to hide their identity.” (Ittefak, 15 October 1990, police sources, Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, pp.19 & 20, UBINIG, 1995)
30,000 Bangladeshi women are in brothels in Calcutta, India. (“Human Smuggling from Banglsdesh at alarming level,” Reuters, 26 may 1997)
In 1994, 2,000 Bangladeshi women were prostituted in 6 cities in India. (CATW – Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)
There are 200 trafficked Bangladeshi women and children in detention centers in India awaiting repatriation. (http://www.webpage.com/hindu/daily/980220/03/03200004.htm, 19 February 1998)
Between January 1990 and September 1997, there were 2,545 cases of trafficked children reported in the media in Bangladesh – 1,262 boys and 1,283 girls. During the same time period, 2,212 trafficked children were rescued. (President of the Centre for Women and Children Studies, Ishrat Shamin, “Trafficking in Women and Children: A Human Rights Crisis)
Between January 1990 and September 1997, there were 845 cases of kidnapped children reported in the media in Bangladesh. 512 or 84% were rescued. (President of the Centre for Women and Children Studies, Ishrat Shamin, “Trafficking in Women and Children: A Human Rights Crisis)
74 people, including 14 children, were rescued from Satkhira, en route to the border to India. The traffickers had taken 2000 to 5000 takas from each person. (Dainik Bangla report, 8 October1993, Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, p.33, Dainik Bangla, 8 October 1993, UBINIG, 1995)
The price for girls is between Tk. 10,000 to Tk. 30,000 for beautiful and healthy girls. Children are bought for Tk. 7,000 to Tk. 8,000. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, pp. 20 &21, UBINIG, 1995)
2.7% of prostitutes in India are Bangladeshi, the largest population of foreigners. The majority of these females are under 18. (Social Welfare Board of India, Fawzia Karim Firoze & Salma Ali of the Bangladesh National Women Layer Association,” Bangladesh Country Paper: Law and Legislation”)
Between January 1990 and September 1997, there were 2,662 cases of missing children reported in the media in Bangladesh. Only 228 missing children, or 9 percent, were rescued. (President of the Centre for Women and Children Studies, Ishrat Shamin, “Trafficking in Women and Children: A Human Rights Crisis)
Children from middle class families risk kidnapping from schools and being trafficking to Middle Eastern countries. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, p.9, UBINIG, 1995)
There are two basic methods that traffickers obtain women and children: One is to kidnap them. The second, is to lure the women with false promises of jobs and marriage options. Traffickers pose as prospective grooms, then take the girls out of the border as their wives. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, pp.16 &17, UBINIG, 1995)
Girls are sold to traffickers by their parents who consider them to be a burden after a certain age. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, p.17, UBINIG, 1995)
Women, who believe that traffickers will assist them to find legitimate jobs, pay traffickers from Tk. 2000 to Tk. 6000. (Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, p.18, UBINIG, 1995)
Women and children from India are sent to nations of the Middle East daily. Girl children in prostitution and domestic service in India, Pakistan and the Middle East are tortured, held in virtual imprisonment, sexually abused, and raped. (Indrani Sinha, SANLAAP India, “Paper on Globalization and Human Rights”)
Sanlaap shelter Sneha has 25 to 30 rescued prostituted children. 60% of the children rescued from prostitution are HIV positive. (Indrani Sinha, SANLAAP India, “Paper on Globalization and Human Rights”)
10,000 Bangladeshi children are in brothels in Bombay and Goa India. (Trafficking Watch Bangladesh, “Human Smuggling from Banglsdesh at alarming level,” Reuters, 26 may 1997)
Methods and Techniques of Trafficking
Traffickers use 20 main points in 16 western districts of Bangladesh near the Indian border. The main trafficking route is Dhaka-Mumbai-Karachi-Dubai. Many of the victims end up in Middle East nations. (Zahiduzzaman Faruque “Women, children trafficking in Bangladesh” Kyodo, 5 May 1998)
In India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal, child marriage is accepted, and considered the best method to procure girls for prostitution. (Indrani Sinha, SANLAAP India, “Paper on Globalization and Human Rights”)
Forms of trafficking include fake marriages, sale by parents to “uncles” offering jobs, auctions to brothel owners or farmers, abduction. Traffickers and procurers pose as prospective husbands to impoverished families. They take the girls away and sell them into prostitution. A large number of “brides” have been collected in this manner and brought as a group to Pakistan where they are handed over to local traffickers. (CATW – Asia Pacific “Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific” (24)
Bangladeshi women have been auctioned off to farmers looking for a combination wife and farmhand in Pakistan, India and Japan (CATW – Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)
Bangladeshi women who are trafficked and prostituted in debt bondage in India’s sex industry are forced to work longer hours and serve more men than local women. (CATW – Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)
Cases
In May 1998, 217 Bangladeshi women and children who had been trafficked into India were repatriated. (Zahiduzzaman Faruque,”Women, children trafficking in Bangladesh,” Kyodo, 5 May 1998)
In 1992, 74 Bangladeshi women and children on their way to be sold in Pakistan were found bound and gagged in the cargo hold of a boat. (CATW – Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)
One trafficker was arrested and 46 people (12 male, 9 female and 25 children) from Jessore were rescued by police as they were being trafficked by bus across the border into India. All were held in police custody. (Ittefak report, 16 June 1993, Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, pp.31 & 32, Ittefak, 16 June 1993, UBINIG, 1995)
49 men, women and children from Cox’s Bazar were rescued and 2 traffickers were arrested by Savar Police. The people were sent to safe custody and the traffickers were placed under police remand for three days. Each person had paid the traffickers 3-4 thousand taka to assist them across the border via Godagari, Rajshahi, Benalope and Jessore. Middle aged men and women would be taken to hospitals in Bombay and Madras, and their blood, kidneys, eyes, skin and hair would be sold to hospitals. The young girls would be sold to the brothels in Pakistan and India. Young men would be sold as bonded laborers. The traffickers prefer young girls and children. For each young girl (the traffickers) are paid 10-12 thousand taka and for each child they are paid 7-8 thousand taka. (Ittefak report, 28 October 1993, Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, pp.32 & 33, Ittefak, 28 October 1993, UBINIG, 1995)
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/banglad.htm
Pakistan: Twelve-Year-Old Christian Girl Raped and Killed by Muslim Employer
Lahore (AsiaNews/Agencies) – A 12-year-old Christian girl died on Friday as a result of physical violence inflicted by her employer, a rich and powerful Muslim lawyer in Lahore. The case has led to protests by the Christian community, which demonstrated before the provincial assembly of Punjab in Lahore. The authorities are trying to appease people and have pledged that justice shall be done. Pakistani President Zardari has also promised to pay compensation to the family.
A Protestant NGO, Sharing Life Ministry Life (SLMP), reported the case of Shazia Bashir, 12, who was employed for the past eight months as a domestic worker in the household of Chaudhry Muhammad Naeem, a lawyer and former president of the Lahore Bar Association.
Local Christians say that during that period the girl was the victim of constant harassment, and that she was raped and tortured before she was killed.
SLMP chief coordinator Sohail Johnson said the girl worked under constant stress and experienced emotional and psychological trauma. She was also denied the agreed salary (Rs 1,000 or about US$ 12 per month).
Shazia “would get insults whenever she raised the subject of payment,” the Christian activist said.
Three days before her death, her employer tortured her, he noted. Afterwards, he tried to have her treated at his home without informing the parents of her health situation. In the end, the medical care she did get proved inadequate and she had to go to Lahore’s Meo Hospital.
“Shazia’s parents were not allowed to meet her. They did not know what she was going through,” said Razia Bibi, the girl’s 44-year-old uncle.
Shazia died last Friday from her injuries.
Sohail Johnson said that her body showed signs of torture with at least 12 marks of injury. “Shazia was admitted to the hospital with a broken jaw,” he said.
Initially, Chaudhry Muhammad Naeem’s family tried to pay off Shazia’s parents with Rs 20,000 (US$ 250) to stop them from filing a case against them. Eventually they fled, but were arrested yesterday under pressure from the federal government.
Getting Burned in Pakistan: Report Finds Acid and Burn Attacks Against Women on the Rise
In Pakistan, like in many other South Asian countries, honor is a virtue that is not only valued but demanded from society, especially from women. Women who “dishonor” their families face severe consequences at the hands of a strongly patriarchal society who continues to see women secondary to men.
A new report from the AGHS Legal Cell has found that violence against women in the form of burning and acid attacks is on the rise in the country. Women who are seen as dishonoring their families are often the targets of these attacks.
Walking in public with a man who is unrelated to you could elicit an attack for it is often presumed that the woman is committing adultery. Fleeing an arranged marriage or a relationship where a woman is unhappy or being abused is another common reason for the attacks.
According to the report, from April to June of this year more than 220 women reported being burned, 40 of whom died as a result of their injuries which can be extensive. When acid is thrown in a person’s face, skin tissue melts on contact exposing the bone below the flesh that may also dissolve from the acid. If acid reaches the eyes, they are permanently damaged often leaving survivors with the use of only one or no eyes.
What’s worse? According to the report women are not being given appropriate medical care and few seek legal action after being attacked. Many cases are also not even reported to police so the actual numbers of victims are far worse than we think.
“Violence against women in Pakistan is endemic,” Nisha Varia, deputy director of women’s rights division at Human Rights Watch told The Media Line.” “We try to apply pressure so that the government recognizes these crimes, prosecutes the perpetrators and provides services to the victims.”
Acid attacks are a big problem in Bangladesh. The statistics say there are more attacks here than anywhere else in the world, but that may only be because Bangladesh documents its cases more thoroughly than other countries. The Acid Survivors Foundation meticulously documents every case it finds. In 2005, the organization claims there were 211 recorded incidents involving 267 victims. That is significantly less than the 487 people hurt in 2002, the worst year on record, but that is cold comfort.
Last year 178 women and 89 men were attacked with acid. Fifty-three children under the age of 18 were among the injured, many because they were sleeping next to the intended victim. The most frequent motive for the attack was a dispute about land, property, or money (46 percent), followed by crimes related to rejection or refusal of love, sex or marriage (15 percent), marital disputes (12 percent), disputes within the family (10 percent), and dowry disputes (5 percent).
In the days before the Acid Survivors Foundation, most people didn’t know what to do when an attack occurred. Medical facilities in the countryside, where more than 90 percent of the population lives and most of the attacks take place, are sparse and poorly equipped. Dhaka Medical College Hospital (DMCH) in the capital has the only burn unit in the country and at the time the foundation began its work, it had only eight beds. Even if an acid victim actually made it to the hospital in the hours or days after the attack, care was poor and the survivor quickly found that the necessary reconstructive surgery and rehabilitation was far beyond the means of the poor rural victims.
The acid victim, most often a woman, found herself grotesquely disfigured, perhaps blind, deaf, or disabled in other ways. She could no longer work or study, not only because of her disabilities, but because of the massive disgrace she was often perceived to have brought upon her family. It was widely believed that the woman had provoked the attack herself by her flirtatious behavior or unseemly outspokenness. A single woman would have no chance of ever finding a husband and would remain an eternal burden on her family. The life of a married woman was many times even worse. Not only would she have to continue living with the perpetrator, but in many cases, her children would refuse to have any further contact with her.
“Today, most cases are within the family,” Rahman says. “It is really difficult for the victim to speak out. After all, what would happen to her children if their father, the breadwinner, went to jail? And what would happen to the children’s identity? No one will marry them.”
The perpetrator would rarely be punished or even charged. The legal case against the perpetrator, if it was filed at all, would be confounded by inept police investigation, high legal fees, time-consuming proceedings and corruption in the courts. A judge could easily be bought off.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,406485,00.html
Epidemic boy-rape by Pakistan’s mullahs
In total impunity, numerous mullahs, those religious men who, in Pakistan, the “country of the Purs”, figure amongst the most respected men in the community, sexually aggress or rape their young students in the madrassas, the koranic schools. In Lahore, a few months ago, a Qazim’s mother * (his name has been modified to protect him), 6 years of age, found her unconscious son, coverd in blood on the doorsteop of a mosque. The youngster was following religious courses there. That afternoon, his teacher sent home all the other children. He locked Qazim in his room, threatened to beat him, before raping him. The young boy’s father, a modest rickshaw driver, complained to the authorites and got the religious instructor detained. The family received many threats from local religious chiefs and from their neighbours who warned: “Be careful, the chiefs have friends in Al Qaeda!”
translated for The Agonist by voilée au Québec
Another eloquent case, that of a ten year old child, raped in 2003 by a mullah. The latter threatened to kill him if the child talked. The child became ill and it was only in the hospital that he told his mother what had happened. The grand-father lodged a formal complaint but the rapist was never arrested.
Sexual and physical abuse
These facts are reported regularly by the Pakistani press even if the majority of victims never report the abuse.
This is where the difficulty lies in the famous madrassas that give poor Pakistani chldren an education. Even more attractive is the fact that the children are fed and lodged without charge. Some give science courses, computer courses or even English, but most often, the education consists mostly of learning the Koran by heart, since the children neither read nor speak Arabic. The families believe that if their children can recite their Holy Book, then the family will be washed of all its sins and will go directly to Paradise. In reality, it’s a living hell that awaits these children.
Apart from the sexual abuse, the children live in unsanity conditions and the abuse occurs daily. In Faisalabad, Atif, 11 years old, the children were regularly chained and beaten. When he rebelled against this type of treatment, his master punished him in an exemplary manner: he tied him with electric cables and beat him until he passed out. The child’s father, notified by the mullah that his son was ill, found his son locked in a room, unconscious and bleeding from the mouth and the nose. He brought him to the emergency ward of the Lahore hospital where the doctors feared for his life. Atif survived but with psychological wounds from which he will never recover.
Abid, 16 years of age, paid a heavy price for refusing advances from his teacher in a madrassa in Karachi where his father sent him. “I was 14 at the time. The mullah, Qari Amin, tried to corner him. Each time, I managed to repulse him. One day, I told him that I would tell the director of the school. He gto angry and I fled to my parents”. His teacher followed him home, armed with a jar of acid that he flung in the young boy’s face. Since that time, the boy is disfigured and blind. He wears a cap to hide his scalp, ravaged by the acid. His father, Harun, simple taxi driver, horrified by the destiny of his child, wanted to lodge a criminal complaint despite the risk of revenge. “The trial still hasn’t occurred and I am still getting threats”, explains Harun. “I am scared every day, because I know that they are watching me. The father of the mullah is rich and has influence, I don’t”.
According to a specialist from Islamabad, ” in that closed environment of religious boarding schools, the young boys are under total control, which facilitates rape. Everyone knows that there are pedophile mullahs, but nobody dares speak of it. A culture of impunity has been established. And, since our justice system functions with bribes and networks of influence, the gulty are rarely punished.”. A journalist at the daily newspaper THE NATION, N., who wishes to remain anonymous, assures us that it remains difficult to publish reports about violence and abuse in the madrassas: “The press is without a controlling entity, and when the religious groups put pressure on us, we are obliged to censor ourselves”.
http://agonist.org/story/2005/6/26/173123/143
15 child brides used to settle Pakistan feud
It started with a dead dog, escalated into a tit-for-tat tribal war, and has now reached a grotesque climax with the exchange of 15 child brides.
Pakistani human rights activists are outraged at reports that a long-running blood feud in a remote corner of western Baluchistan province has been resolved by the handing over of 15 girls, aged between three and 10, for marriage.
“There has to be action,” said Asma Jahangir, a leading rights campaigner. “These people who force others to sell their daughters must be sent to prison.”
The new government in Islamabad, led by the party of the late Benazir Bhutto, has promised to act. “We will not allow young girls to be traded like this,” said the information minister, Sherry Rehman. “The culprits who tried to do this will be arrested. The orders have been given.”
But Jahangir said those orders had not been acted upon. “There is a dysfunction in the whole system. They are not listening to the government,” she said. “We need to see them being more effective than just rhetoric.”
Vanni, an ancient tribal practice in which feuding clans settle their differences by exchanging women for marriage, is illegal in Pakistan. In 2004 the Sindh high court outlawed all such “parallel justice” systems. But the writ of government is weak in rural areas, and local police often turn a blind eye.
The current controversy started with a row over a dog, said Muhammad Paryal Marri, a researcher in northern Sindh for the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.
A dog owned by one tribe, the Chakranis, was shot dead because it strayed too close to a well controlled by their rivals, the Qalandaris. In revenge the Chakranis shot a donkey belonging to the other side. A ferocious bout of tit-for-tat killings ensued in which 19 people, including five women, were killed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/05/pakistan.humanrights
Pakistan-Taliban truce a setback for women’s rights
Under the accord, the Taliban have demanded Nizam-e-Adal (Islamic Justice System) regulation to be enforced in the Malakand division of the NWFP comprising the districts of Swat, Dir and Chitral.
“Women are likely to come under greater pressure and their tribulations will certainly increase,” said I.A. Rehman, director of the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.
However, Muslim Khan, spokesperson for the Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP), insists that ‘’women will benefit the most from the enforcement of the Sharia’’.
Freedom trampled
In Afghanistan, during Taliban rule there from 1996 to 2001, women were not allowed to work or leave their homes unless enveloped in a burqa, or accompanied by a male member of the family and this could now be the fate of Swat.
Female education has already been banned and over a hundred schools, most of them girls’ schools, demolished.
http://southasia.oneworld.net/todaysheadlines/pakistan-taliban-truce-a-setback-for-womens-rights
TALIBAN BULLIES PAKISTAN INTO ACCEPTING SHARIAH LAW
February 17, 2009 – Washington, DC – The Traditional Values Coalition charged today that one “change” in foreign policy being implemented by the Obama Administration will have a deadly effect on Christians, women and all others deemed “infidels” by the violent Islamic Taliban in Pakistan.TVC Executive Director Andrea Lafferty criticized the Obama Administration for failing to reassert the Bush policy and make it clear that the imposition of Shariah law as a condition of a cease-fire was unacceptable.
“Trading one type of conflict for another even more barbaric form, as we have done in Pakistan, should be unacceptable to all free and civilized people,” Mrs. Lafferty said today. “People are beheaded under Shariah law for not worshipping Allah, for watching television or dancing and young girls attempting to attend school have acid thrown in their faces.”
“It dishonors the sacrifice made by so many young American men and women for our government to signal its acceptance of these violent Taliban tactics as a reasonable cost for securing a cease-fire.
“Shariah is not really a law in any civilized sense. It establishes rights using two criteria – Islam and male gender. Anyone else is treated as less than human so that women, Jews and Christians get the worst of it and are often killed.”Mrs. Lafferty is urging TVC member churches and individuals to contact Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and urge her to reassert America’s policy of opposing the imposition of the violent and barbaric Shariah law around the globe.
According to the New York Times (“Pakistan and Taliban Near Deal”), Page A5, February 16, 2009), the Bush Administration “strongly opposed making political concessions to the Taliban” last May.
But the situation has changed as Taliban militants have now seized control in the once-prosperous Swat district. The New York Times reports:
“…Taliban leaders have proscribed what they call un-Islamic activities by residents, including watching television, dancing and shaving beards and they have sometimes beheaded offenders. The penalties are regularly and terrifyingly announced over radio stations under the militants’ control. Tens of thousands of residents of the area, which was once a popular tourist spot and considered a mainstream part of the country, have fled the intimidation and violence.”
Today’s media reports that Pakistan has accepted Shariah rule in the Swat district.
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/read/3557/taliban-bullies-pakistan-into-accepting-shariah-law/
Rape of minors on the rise in Islamic Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfp-maoimng
Current wave of child-rape in Islamic holy Pakistan
Sexual abuse of children has heightened at alarming levels in Pakistan. Every year, thousand of children fall prey to sexual violence including rape, sodomy, and incest. Most of the victims are murdered by the rapists to conceal their offense. Those who survive go through different physical and psychological problems. Most recently a 6-year old child girl Anisa was molested while she was playing outside her residence.
According to Geo TV, an unidentified man abducted her near her house and then raped her. She was found lying unconscious in the fields nearby. The rape-victim is now under treatment at a local hospital. In another case a 3-year old girl was raped and then murdered in Karachi.
It is not easy to find out the real motives behind this heinous crime. Sexual-frustration, porn-addiction, the use of drugs, psychological-illness excessive use of alcohol, no fear of reprisal from the law and society are some of the common reasons.
The recent wave of child-rape is a matter of concern for every sensible citizen of Pakistan. The parents should not leave their small children unguarded and alone while playing outside.
The government should take notice of the current wave of child-rape.The Chief Justice of Pakistan should take sueo moto action into the matter and put the culprits behind the bar. The persons behind these crimes should be given exemplary punishment so that others may not repeat this sort of callous act.
Pakistan: Tribal Violence and Education levels
Pakistan’s western border areas are racked by violence as separatists and pro-Taliban militants fight government forces to try to extend their control. Hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by the fighting, many of them out of reach of aid agencies.
The main areas affected are North West Frontier Province (NWFP) and the semi-autonomous Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) which have a strong Taliban presence, and Baluchistan where separatists are seeking greater political autonomy and control over local mineral resources.
The rest of Pakistan has also been subject to sporadic attacks by Islamist militants. Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated at the end of 2007 in an attack blamed on Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.
The United States regularly carries out missile strikes against al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in the border areas.
The U.S. administration of President Barack Obama has been pressing Pakistan to take firm action against Islamist militants as part of a drive to end a military stalemate in Afghanistan.
The army deployed troops in Swat in October 2007 and used artillery and gunship helicopters to reassert control. A civilian government came to power in 2008 and tried to reach a negotiated settlement, but a peace deal failed in May 2008 and fighting escalated. The militants gained control of almost the entire valley and unleashed a reign of terror, killing and beheading politicians, entertainers, soldiers and opponents. They banned female education and destroyed nearly 200 girls’ schools.
But the military has also been accused by local people of deliberately targeting civilians perceived to be sympathetic to the Taliban – a charge vehemently denied by the military. For more on this read: Civilians suffer as Pakistan army targets Taliban.
In February 2009 Pakistan authorities agreed to introduce Islamic law in Malakand region, dismantle all security checkpoints and release captured militants in return for peace. The decision was strongly condemned by the United States, which had made continued flows of aid conditional on Pakistan containing the Taliban groups.
The militants announced a ceasefire but refused to give up their arms and soon pushed into Buner district, also part of Malakand and only 100 km (60 miles) from Islamabad. Amid mounting concern at home and abroad, security forces launched an offensive in April 2009 to expel the militants.
Afghan Taliban leaders are believed to use Peshawar, capital of NWFP, as a base despite the heavy presence of Pakistan military and intelligence forces.
Millions of refugees who fled Afghanistan following the Soviet invasion in 1979, settled in NWFP. Many have since returned home.
you are quite wrong. many of my positions are considered not only unusual but somewhat subversive in “strictly orthodox” circles. however, i am free to express them here. the point of the spittoon is to oppose totalitarian mindsets, whether jewish, islamic or otherwise. if you look up other posts of mine on “jewish extremism” you’ll see what i mean. naturally, it suits you to misunderstand this.
i wonder if you understand how, in fact, they *are* observed? it would appear not.
in fact, this one (which applies to *jewish* sinners) covers much of what i write here. rather criticise someone to their face than snipe about them behind their back.
i notice all the ones you’ve left out, like:
i assume you don’t have any problem with these. if only you did as much yourself, eh?
what’s wrong with banning intermarriage? it still happens anyway and we don’t discriminate against the jewish offspring of the intermarried. there are perfectly reasonable reasons for doing so – just as muslims ban it too between muslim women and non-muslim men. you don’t say much about that. as for “extreme discrimination against non-believers”, i don’t think judaism has much to concern itself with compared to, say, some of the stuff in the Qur’an. we never came up with the “pact of umar”, nor did we make non-jews wear distinguishing clothes, nor did we make them pay a tax not to have to convert or be expelled, nor did we make laws about not allowing them to refurbish their houses of worship or ride horses. i don’t think you’ve got much of a leg to stand on here.
this means that you’re allowed to charge interest on a loan to a non-jew (but not to a jew) and entitled to collect the money owing, in fact, this is more liberal than not allowing interest at all, as islamic law maintains.
and what are the islamic laws on the marriage of the offpring of prohibited relationships, then? do you even know what a mamzer is? the solution for them is to marry a convert or another mamzer, the children will be fine and the problem is duly rectified a generation down the line.
if you can spot a male ammonite or moabite around anywhere, i’ll happily not marry my daughter to him, but you can’t, because the sages established 2000 years ago that “sennacherib mixed up the nations” and thus prohibitions referring to these nations cannot be observed, although they have to remain in the list. hence, you will not notice me spending time finding girgashites to oppress, because they, like the others, including the amalekites, are no longer extant. besides, it was their behaviour, not their ethnicity that was prohibited, if someone stops behaving like a girgashite (i.e. refraining from sacrificing children and engaging in temple prostitution) then they are, effectively, no longer a girgashite and so much the better. as for the laws about idolatry, if you think we apply them to hindus, then i wonder why jews and hindus live side by side so happily in hendon and harrow (and why jews lived so happily in india for so long) – if the law was as you suggest, i wouldn’t even be allowed to go into the newsagent to buy a newspaper, let alone have hindu friends or work with them.
it appears i was right the first time: you really don’t know very much about judaism.
as for “bigland boy”, what on earth are you on?
b’shalom
bananabrain
bananabrain
He’s upset his visa to become a beggar in Pakistan was refused
Your mother sucks Mirpuri taxi-driver cock for a living, Jamaati boy.
Can’t quite believe there is a thread here comparing the sexism and chauvinism of orthodox Jewish and Islamic traditions. Both are revolting, and I actually find myself in agreement with Marwen that the former isn’t given the critical treatment that the latter is here on Spittoon.
It’s too bad there is not a Jewish equivalent of Faisal writing on this blog. Maybe the links between the contributors here come out of friendships rather than a shared political project.
Luckily there are many much more subversive Jews out there – for example on jewdas.org
Intermarriage bans- why not oppose them? As a Jewish person (though perhaps not a real Jew in bananabrain’s book) I look forward to the day when such chauvinistic and yes, racist practices are as extinct as the Ammonites and Moabites.
If this was a Muslim country people like Marwan would have had Faisal killed off by now. All I can say is ‘Thank God’ there is a blog like Spitoon with people like Faisal and Effendi writing.
Salams.
I don’t generally agree with Marwen, not to worry.
@rachel:
well, i’m glad you approach the subject with an open mind. i think it may be possible that the “have you quit beating your wife” tack is not the most appropriate if you are hoping to have an open dialogue, which is what i would like. what marwan would like, as usual, is to use boilerplate anti-jewish polemics which have little basis in fact and even less to do with the actual context and complexity of the culture. or, to put it another way, he’s here to bash the jew. i am not here to bash anyone apart from extremist nincompoops and, i would hope, to do so whilst not appearing to be one myself. you might do me the courtesy of not assuming you already know the answer.
this is a common attack made by generic islamists of marwan’s stamp and it has no basis in fact. if you look at some of my other pieces that ought to be pretty clear. both judaism and islam contain extremely powerful mechanisms for self-criticism and analytical self-examination and i like to avail myself of these mechanisms. if you think i am giving judaism a free ride wearing an apologetics hat you couldn’t be more dead wrong. why not ask open questions instead?
the relationships between the spittoon came about because the likes of faisal and myself (and others) found ourselves constantly attacking the same sorts of attitudes for the same types of bigotry, ignorance, triumphalism and sheer silliness, whilst facing opposition from within our own communities to self-criticism and chauvinism. if you care to actually question your prejudice about what sort of jew i may or may not be, you might be surprised.
jewdas is excellent at staging oppositional stunts, grabbing headlines, lampooning the mainstream (i am particularly fond of their satire of r. shochet’s column in the jewish news) and trying to run events for people who are alienated by mainstream events. a lot of my mates go to their stuff and i have praised them on many occasions. however, what i am primarily interested in is the sustainability and biodiversity of the jewish community and, whether you like it or not, that involves the sort of people you apparently find “revolting”. subversion is all very well, but it requires something to subvert in the first place and i don’t know of a sustainable culture that is made up of 100% transgressive individuals and initiatives. to put it another way, jewdas needs the likes of rabbi shove-it to spark off. i am interested in how both fulfil important functions within the jewish community ecosystem, which you can see here:
http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5604
http://www.spittoon.org/archives/4797
and in many of the other pieces i’ve written. i oppose bigotry and extremism where i see it happening and “orthodoxy” (a term which i abhor) is not exempt on that front. frankly, i find your attitude puzzling.
if you want to make a case, i am sure we would be able to give it a guest spot, or perhaps run a point-counterpoint dialogue piece. all i think i would point out is that you don’t have to go to the halakhic mainstream to find opposition to intermarriage, it is certainly reform policy and even the liberal movement can see reasons why it might be counterproductive. if someone like r. jonathan romain (who i like very much) can see a reason to encourage people to convert rather than simply continue in mixed-faith relationships then there must be reasons for it that do not rely on prejudice, bigotry and chauvinism but lie in the best interests of the couple, their children, the community and society at large; you don’t have to rely on Torah prohibitions to see why it makes sense. i prefer to look at the *purpose* that is being fulfilled in order to try and find common ground and, more to the point, i don’t see why you have to be a dick to people that *are* intermarried or the children of mixed marriages; that violates far more Torah principles than endorsing them. i hope that the people who i have supported through this thorniest and most emotionally wrenching of issues – most of whom have *not* gone down an orthodox conversion route – would understand why i hold the principles that i hold and why they are entirely compatible with the practice of compassion.
you’re assuming a great deal here. why not actually ask?
unfortunately, you are falling into the common error of projecting your own viewpoints back onto situations to which they do not apply. what is important is not how hebrew-moabite relations appear to have fallen out according to the literal sense of the Torah, but how (and indeed whether) this question affects relationships between jews and non-jews today. as i said, i’m not going to be massacring the owners of the local newsagent any time soon, for reasons that are *based* on the Torah, not reasons that are based on *ignoring* the Torah. why not look at how things are, rather than conducting a polemic based on tendentious ideological categorisation?
b’shalom
bananabrain
Bigland Boy
My my slandering my mother. Very classy Bigland Boy. Shows how hollow your alleged concern for women’s rights are and what a centre for slander and misogyny this website is.
Those who slander chaste, innocent, believing women shall indeed be cursed in this world as well as in the Hereafter. For them shall be a grievous punishment. (24:23)
However I must commend you on your encylopedic knowledge of the seamier parts of Pakistan. Presumably “Bigland Boy” is the name you use to attract male clients there.
banana brain
No, everytime you got the upper hand, you exterminated them as mentioned in the Bible or ethnically cleansed them from their land as you have been doing to the Palestinians the last 60 years.
Marwan
“Shows how hollow your alleged concern for women’s rights are and what a centre for slander and misogyny this website is.”
Shows how hollow you alleged concern for Muslim women is when come on here laugh and deny the rape and genocide of Muslim women in Bangladesh by your bastard Jamaati brothers and your Paki fathers. Fucking butchers.
You’re a cocksucking magir phua and your mother loves her work.
Some classy stuff on this thread.
Hard to follow, this act.
Your mum.
pathetic. this would imply that you believe that every word of the Tanakh is literally true and happened as described (which would, of course, mean that you accept that the land of israel was promised to the jewish people forever, incidentally). and if “i” (i note that i am, by virtue of my jewishness, to blame for everything the israeli government does, according to you) have been “ethnically cleansing” the palestinians for 60 years, i’m a bit rubbish at it, considering there are far more of them than there were twenty years ago. it’s like the worst “genocide” ever, considering it doesn’t involve mass murder or forced expulsions. but don’t let it bother you.
has it ever occurred to you that by making these absurdly overblown claims about israeli government policy and practice you actually harm the palestinians by enabling the israeli government to point to the fact that people like you are talking crap rather than having to deal with the very real problems that the occupation has brought to israeli society? but then again, people like you have never actually helped the palestinians, despite using them as a stick to beat the israelis with.
b’shalom
bananabrain
hardly worse than spitoon contributor bananabrain who every morning, being an orthodox jew, says these vile racist, sexist words:
” Thank you G-d for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave”
Israel Shahak “Jewish History, Jewish religion”:
“In one of the first sections of the daily morning payer, every devout Jew blesses God for not making him a Gentile.59 The concluding section of the daily prayer (which is also used in the most solemn part of the service on New Year’s day and on Yom Kippur) opens with the statement: ‘We must praise the Lord of all … for not making us like the nations of [all] lands … for they bow down to vanity and nothingness and pray to a god that does not help.’60 The last clause was censored out of the prayer books. but in eastern Europe it was supplied orally, and has now been restored into many Israeli-printed prayer books. In the most important section of the weekday prayer – the ‘eighteen blessings’ – there is a special curse, originally directed against Christians, Jewish converts to Christianity and other Jewish heretics: ‘And may the apostates’61 have no hope, and all the Christians perish instantly’. This formula dates from the end of the 1st century, when Christianity was still a small persecuted sect. Some time before the 14th century it was softened into: ‘And may the apostates have no hope. and all the heretics62 perish instantly’, and after additional pressure into: ‘And may the informers have no hope, and all the heretics perish instantly’. After the establishment of Israel. the process was reversed, and many newly printed prayer books reverted to the second formula, which was also prescribed by many teachers in religious Israeli schools. After 1967, several congregations close to Gush Emunim have restored the first version (so far only verbally, not in print) and now pray daily that the Christians may perish instantly’. This process of reversion happened in the period when the Catholic Church (under Pope John XXIII) removed from its Good Friday service a prayer which asked the Lord to have mercy on Jews, heretics etc. This prayer was thought by most Jewish leaders to be offensive and even antisemitic.
Apart from the fixed daily prayers, a devout Jew must utter special short blessings on various occasions, both good and bad (for example, while putting on a new piece of clothing. eating a seasonal fruit for the first time that year, seeing powerful lightning, hearing bad news, etc.) Some of these occasional prayers serve to inculcate hatred and scorn for all Gentiles, We have mentioned in Chapter 2 the rule according to which a pious Jew must utter curse when passing near a Gentile cemetery, whereas he must bless God when passing near a Jewish cemetery. A similar rule applies to the living; thus, when seeing a large Jewish population a devout Jew must praise God, while upon seeing a large Gentile population he must utter a curse. Nor are buildings exempt: the Talmud lays down63 that a Jew who passes near an inhabited non-Jewish dwelling must ask God to destroy it, whereas if the building is in ruins he must thank the Lord of Vengeance. (Naturally, the rules are reversed for Jewish houses.) This rule was easy to keep for Jewish peasants who lived in their own villages or for small urban communities living in all-Jewish townships or quarters. Under the conditions of classical Judaism, however, it became impracticable and was therefore confined to churches and places of worship of other religions (except Islam).64 In this connection, the rule was further embroidered by custom: it became customary to spit (usually three times) upon seeing a church or a crucifix, as an embellishment to the obligatory formula of regret.65 Sometimes insulting biblical verses were also added.66
There is also a series of rules forbidding any expression of praise for Gentiles or for their deeds, except where such praise implies an even greater praise of Jews and things Jewish. This rule is still observed by Orthodox Jews. For example. the writer Agnon, when interviewed on the Israeli radio upon his return from Stockholm, where he received the Nobel Prize for literature, praised the Swedish Academy, but hastened to add: ‘I am not forgetting that it is forbidden to praise Gentiles, but here there is a special reason for my praise’ – that is, that they awarded the prize to a Jew.
Similarly, it is forbidden to join any manifestation of popular Gentile rejoicing, except where failing to join in might cause ‘hostility’ towards Jews, in which case a ‘minimal’ show of joy is allowed.”
Rachel Davenport
Well said Rachel. This blog’s anti-Islam and pro-obscurantist Judaism bias is so blatant and prejudiced.
Leila
As opposed to your chauvinist, racist, anti-Semitic pro-Islamism, of course.
Abu Faris
Your racist, sexist, misogynistic Islamophobia is so much better Abu Faris
Wait a minute before this goes further – bananabrain, what I find revolting is the sexist and chauvinistic practices found in both religions, not Jewish (or Muslim) people.
A lot to respond to (again) in your response to my post, will read and reply more carefully when I have more time, but on the question of the borders around ‘communities’, as you advise, let me ask you an open question: who is a Jew?
I am not a religious Jew and my politics as a left-wing person are much more important to my identity than this part of my background. This probably means that you (bananabrain) and I don’t have much common ground on which to discuss, but I’d be interested in what you have to say. I’ll try not to be obnoxious .
Leila, this blog is not anti-Islam. What gets criticised is Islamism, a political ideology, and reactionary elements within Muslim communities, usually so-called community leaders. This is great. I don’t believe that only someone from within a group has the right to criticise that group, but such ‘internal’ critiques are often much more subversive than those from without.
What I tried to express in my first post on this thread is regret that the ‘internal’ critique around Judaism does not seem as subversive on this blog as does that about Islam. But it’s true, that can be found elsewhere ie. on Jewdas. In general I want more, not less, heresey.
The imbalance if there is one is nothing to do with unfairness to Islam or an Islamophobic agenda. There are a lot of racist, anti-Islamic blogs on the web, I’ve learned to my disgust. I don’t want to spend 5 minutes reading one of those.
Spittoon is entirely different.
Bigland Boy
Wow Mirpuri’s can afford taxis!?!. We Bengali beggars have to use rickshaws or most of the time carry passengers on our back.
Bigland Boy lives in Bigland Street in luxurious Tower Hamlets one of the poorest boroughs in the UK.LOL. What is it about we Bengali beggars that we always live in the poorest, most squalid places?
Begging is our Bangladeshi national sport. If we entered the Olympics we’d get a goal medal!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vxblYXvsLbw/Sfdc_cIe5ZI/AAAAAAAABgo/EGb60xo5rHY/s400/begger3.jpg
http://deshiyoutube.com/video/LjBU0qSE4dk/Bangladesh-Sylhet-1-pound-lady-begging.html
http://www.thedailystar.net/photo/2009/10/11/2009-10-11__letter1.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/123605717_3247b684f7.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45626000/jpg/_45626249_beggar-body.jpg
Thanks for the support Rachel.
bananabrain
Yes you stone aged religious freak but Spitoon doesnt employ Orthodox Muslims who believe in such things. None of its Muslim contributors oppose marriage between a Muslim woman and non-Muslim men. It DOES employ Jews like you who believe in the 613 Nazi Mitzvoh and its evil discrimination against Gentiles.
Bigland Boy is upset because he isnt quite sure who his father is. He knows its a Pakistani Punjabi soldier but it could be anyone from the 34th Division. Apparently his mother was awarded a medal for her services to the Pakistani military during the 1971 war.
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Sorry, but the Spittoon doesn’t employ anyone.
oh, deary me.
tell me, marwan, where’d you get the quote? when i searched on the following text as it is laid out in your post:
the “historical review press” was, to my complete lack of surprise, the top hit. busted!
in fact, this blessing is by no means clearly aimed at christians, but at those who are “slanderers” (malshinim) – i.e. jewish people who misrepresent judaism. quite ironic considering the source of your quote. there have been many changes to the text of this particular blessing in different places and at different times; mine, for example, ends with a prayer that the zeydim or “people of arrogant violence” be humbled. this, arguably, was aimed at the romans at the time of its inclusion, but it’s not hard to see why people like you might not like the sound of it nowadays.
i’ve heard this quoted many times by people like you, yet nobody seems to be able to tell me the text of this curse – and it certainly isn’t in my prayer book, nor have i ever heard it mentioned. if this is anything more than fraud, produce the evidence, otherwise i call shenanigans on this one.
produce the reference for this, marwan, or i shall call you a liar. i notice that the site you got this from doesn’t actually provide them, i wonder why?
the spit-three-times thing is against the “evil eye” and is common to nearly all mediterranean cultures.
and can you substantiate that, or is that also a piece of slanderous jew-hatred?
@rachel:
you see what we have to contend with, i hope.
well, perhaps you’d like to come up with something specific from judaism and then we can discuss it – i always think that’s more revealing than trading generalised positions.
thank you. i think you’d be surprised, to be honest. my acquaintance is probably wider than you suspect. as for the open question, i think the only way i can answer this is by saying “depends who’s asking and for what purpose”. for example, if you are talking about for halakhic purposes, such as witnessing a ketubah or inclusion as a quorate member of the minyan that i daven with in the morning, then the definition would be halakhic. if you are talking about for the purposes of turning up to a jewish cultural event, then i have no problem with anyone who self-identifies as jewish. everyone has to draw a line somewhere. for example, the JC gives a lot of column inches to the likes of nigella lawson, but she wouldn’t be able to get her kids into jfs nowadays. on the other hand, i don’t see anything wrong with getting her kids into jfs. for me, part of the question is group definition. if you define jews as an ethnic group, or according to the israeli law of return, then that’s easy enough to set the barrier where you will, even down to cohen-levi gene markers, whereas if you are talking about religious criteria, then it depends which beth din you go to, where, when and what you say when you get there. put it this way – if you think orthodox judaism is so revolting, why would you *want* to be kosher enough for it? i am strictly utilitarian about this stuff; i would like the london beth din to be considerably less stringent and i would also like people who opt in to mean what they say, not just when it’s fun, but when it’s not fun as well. you might feel that it is obscene to only count men in a halakhic definition of a minyan, but what gives you the right to define the standard? if i only accept people as being “vegetarian” if they never touch fish, are you not on a bit of a sticky wicket if you insist that a little bit of fish now and then does no harm? why do we even *need* a common standard, if not for common services? and which common services do we require? answer that and perhaps we can answer “who is a jew”.
i would argue that that is because the tradition of self-criticism within judaism is far more advanced than it is within islam, for which i might cite the existence of such jewish organisations as radically different as both “jewdas” and “neturei karta” as excellent support. the internal critique of judaism here is mostly aimed at exposing things which *otherwise might not get an airing to the sort of people that are likely to read it here* – in other words, giving an “insider view” that most outsiders are unlikely to have access to, because most of the people that are privy to the sort of stuff i am privy to are unlikely to blog about it. i am not here to attack judaism because it exists – i am here to attack stupidity, ignorance and bigotry, if they happen to present in a jewish form, i will attack them if nobody else is doing it. on the other hand, the polemic and debate between different forms of judaism has been going on a long time and if i am not adding to it in some original way, there is no point, i’m simply repeating what other people are saying. the larger potential is to create a dialogue and increase understanding and “biodiversity” between different parts of the jewish ecosystem. people such as you are an essential part of this and, for me, this is in fact a deeply religious question. your existence and position is, in some way, part of the Divine Plan and it is for me to examine what that means with a view to thereby gaining some form of enlightenment, whether through debate or the practice of (non-patronising, of course) compassion and understanding.
b’shalom
bananabrain
Spitting against the evil eye is very common in Arab culture. Indeed before a small child is taken outside, his/her mother will pray a blessing over his/her head, together with spitting against the evil eye. This is true for both Muslim and Christian Arabs. It is clearly a custom of great antiquity.
Sneezing is considered the evil eye exiting the afflicted, incidentally. A view also shared by a number of early Christian writers from the Mediterranean basin, including St. Augustine.
Belching may be common in traditional Bedu contexts, but farting is a definite no-no – amongst some of the Arab tribes of Sudan, the publicly made and audible trouser-cough is a shame that is almost impossible to redeem.
Customs are odd.
As well, Arabs do hawk up great gobs of phlegm with an abandon lost in Western Europe at some time just after the Great War. Public spitting is still not altogether considered impolite (unfortunately). At least most Arabs do not cheek large amounts of “nus” (as Afghans and Tajiks do), in order to produce vile streams of green gob anywhere and everywhere. Yakk.
personally, i’m quite surprised that israel shahak, being from a polish family, wouldn’t have known that what generally gets said by ashkenazis when spitting three times at whatever is “keneina ho-ra”, a corruption of “kein ayin ha-r’a”, which is yiddish for “no evil eye”. a run down on the spitting practice can be found here:
http://www.newwestend.org.uk/magRH00/magic.htm
personally, i’m not a big “evil eye”-watcher, the closest thing i get is the charming habit i picked up when living in the north african arab community in france twenty years ago after burping, following it with a hearty “hamdullah!” which i am delighted to say the mini-bananas have started to imitate. clearly, my work is done.
b’shalom
bananabrain
Mashallah!
Praise is for G!d – the statement when seeing another’s child, in order to alert the parent that you are not passing on the evil eye (of jealousy, this time).
“The thanks are due to G!d”, indeed!
Alhamdullah.
BB
On the business of the malocchio, this text remains seminal (if very dated, 1895):
Frederick Thomas Elworthy, The Evil Eye
An e-text of the same can be found here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/evil/tee/index.htm
That’s interesting, I appeared to have dropped into a Pickled Politics style state of endless pre-moderation.
yeah, that happens to me sometimes. i don’t know what causes it here, probably the blog software.
b’shalom
bananabrain
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