@bananabrain – maybe you can get Davud Toube to fund Gilligan and Steve Boulton to go undercover and expose these Christian fundo’s. It is highly unlikely though, he is only interested in going after brown folk.

from what i know of david t, he opposes fundamentalism in all forms, not just islamism. there are already a large number of people working to counter christian, jewish or hindu (or whoever) fundamentalist influence, including myself, as someone who is committed to both liberal democracy and religious pluralism for all, be they whatever colour. i know it’s convenient for you to try and paint david t as a racist, but anyone with half a brain knows otherwise. as for gilligan, i think someone else could have been just as effective at fronting the programme – and i for one would have preferred someone with no links to press tv and therefore the payroll of the iranian regime.

Mind you, I would avoid using Gilligan, even after his year long investigation – he has failed to find a shred of evidence that links IFE to Labour – and that they have infiltrated town hall, or even received government patronage. I’d be pretty pissed off I were funding this programme.

he has failed to find a shred of evidence that links IFE to Labour – and that they have infiltrated town hall, or even received government patronage.

what, other than the undisputed receipt of government patronage by the mcb, the demonstrated links of the mcb and the ife trustees and management, the demonstrable concern of the labour party for their tower hamlets organisation, or, for example, the controversy over the influence that obtained the appointment of lutfur ali, about which labour councillors expressed their concern?

is that the lack of evidence you’re talking about?

b’shalom

bananabrain

What evidence have you actually got that they are lying? If you don’t have any, what you have is just an opinion and a set of partisan denials. And Craig Murray. Good luck with that.

And accusations of ”derisory opinions and attempts to discredit’ coming from a site like Spittoon, chums of Harry’s Place? Are you serious?

Stakeholders in Tower Hamlets who were denied privileges that were provided to IFE-related groups gave evidence on the programme, they were non-IFE members, and funnily enough *happened to be* secular Muslims.

As opposed to derisory opinions and attempts to discredit them, which is all you and your boy Murray have come up with.

Stop putting things into my mouth. If you insist on having a colonised mindset, I couldn’t give a shite!

Murray has expressed his opinion and a denial. No counter evidence. Keep bullshitting.

You didn’t called me “colonial mindset”, but you implied that a supine acceptance of Islamist values and/or criticising them is enforcing a “colonial mindset” or like another Islamist bigot explicitly said upthread, that we are “House negroes” for doing so.

And Effendi, you’ve displayed your victim mentality. Unless you also post under the name Raziq, I never called you a ‘colonial mindset’. But go cry in the corner if yo want.

Moreover, shouting ‘extremist’ is the cheapest partisan claim of the lot.

Only if you can’t differentiate between a Muslim moderate and a Muslim extremist. And that smacks of anti-Muslim bigotry and, what do you call i?…oh yes, a “colonial mindset”.

Moreover, shouting ‘extremist’ is the cheapest partisan claim of the lot.

“Channel 4 Dispatches used to be a haven of serious documentary, but has degenerated into a stream of Islamophobia. It touched rock bottom today with a truly pathetic effort by Andrew Gilligan which found – shock horror – Muslims in the East London mosque!”

Read the rest:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/03/muslims_found_i.html