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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16576</link>
		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigland Boy 
More power to Jim, what power he will be kicked out by the voters of Canning Town &amp; Poplar and I will personally work hard to make sure he does.

So as Shayky Wiki said go home to your ma&#039;ma and cry your heart out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigland Boy<br />
More power to Jim, what power he will be kicked out by the voters of Canning Town &amp; Poplar and I will personally work hard to make sure he does.</p>
<p>So as Shayky Wiki said go home to your ma&#8217;ma and cry your heart out!</p>
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		<title>By: Respectabilia</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16535</link>
		<dc:creator>Respectabilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Define fascist mr  wanabe, and then explain how IFE fits that definition...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define fascist mr  wanabe, and then explain how IFE fits that definition&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16516</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zalloom and the likes of you sound like a few couch potato do-gooders please share the amazing work you do to to keep people away from &#039;extremism&#039;...seriously i&#039;m desperate to know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zalloom and the likes of you sound like a few couch potato do-gooders please share the amazing work you do to to keep people away from &#8216;extremism&#8217;&#8230;seriously i&#8217;m desperate to know</p>
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		<title>By: Shaykh Wiki</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16514</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaykh Wiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Abu Wannabe Arab - &#039;The Nazi party in Germnay were also involved in some good youth and community work&#039; 

Please hilight to me what good work they did mr historian?

Also why the hell do you want to be an arab - trying to do a michael jackson eh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Abu Wannabe Arab &#8211; &#8216;The Nazi party in Germnay were also involved in some good youth and community work&#8217; </p>
<p>Please hilight to me what good work they did mr historian?</p>
<p>Also why the hell do you want to be an arab &#8211; trying to do a michael jackson eh!</p>
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		<title>By: Bigland Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16513</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigland Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaykh Wiki, you&#039;re just an IFE scumbag. khita khos, beh?

More power to Jim Fitzpatrick MP!
Down with Jamaat-e-Islami fascist entryism into Tower Hamlets!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaykh Wiki, you&#8217;re just an IFE scumbag. khita khos, beh?</p>
<p>More power to Jim Fitzpatrick MP!<br />
Down with Jamaat-e-Islami fascist entryism into Tower Hamlets!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaykh Wiki</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16512</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaykh Wiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rupert my boy I cant help but agree with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rupert my boy I cant help but agree with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaykh Wiki</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16511</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaykh Wiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigland Boy your just a boy go home and cry to mummy. BTW is your name in any way reference to where you live i.e. bigland street?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigland Boy your just a boy go home and cry to mummy. BTW is your name in any way reference to where you live i.e. bigland street?</p>
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		<title>By: Bigland Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16509</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigland Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More power to Jim Fitzpatrick MP!
Down with Jamaat-e-Islami fascist entryism into Tower Hamlets!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More power to Jim Fitzpatrick MP!<br />
Down with Jamaat-e-Islami fascist entryism into Tower Hamlets!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16506</link>
		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilligan is none other than agent of the Zionists and is against community cohesion, multicultures and against Muslim community raising up, organising them self for the betterment of them self and others at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilligan is none other than agent of the Zionists and is against community cohesion, multicultures and against Muslim community raising up, organising them self for the betterment of them self and others at large.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This progamme was politically-driven, with irresponsible politicians pandering to the Far Right. It was the work of the desperate work of Jim Fitzpatrick MP to hold on to his seat as an MP. Now Jim this was the final blow you blowed to your self and hopefuly will see the end of you as an MP.

Jim you are a sad, disgraceful, lying, racists politian who is going to loose, so what do you do to a community that supported you before and right now you dishonoured them by not understanding their culture then stab them on their back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This progamme was politically-driven, with irresponsible politicians pandering to the Far Right. It was the work of the desperate work of Jim Fitzpatrick MP to hold on to his seat as an MP. Now Jim this was the final blow you blowed to your self and hopefuly will see the end of you as an MP.</p>
<p>Jim you are a sad, disgraceful, lying, racists politian who is going to loose, so what do you do to a community that supported you before and right now you dishonoured them by not understanding their culture then stab them on their back.</p>
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		<title>By: J A</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16463</link>
		<dc:creator>J A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilligan is quite prejudiced in hs approach and would be a better mouth piece for the BNP or EDL. Let&#039;s look at the people behind his documentary:

http://iengage.org.uk/component/content/article/1-news/780-review-of-gilligans-islamic-republic-c4-documentary-about-the-ife</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilligan is quite prejudiced in hs approach and would be a better mouth piece for the BNP or EDL. Let&#8217;s look at the people behind his documentary:</p>
<p><a href="http://iengage.org.uk/component/content/article/1-news/780-review-of-gilligans-islamic-republic-c4-documentary-about-the-ife" rel="nofollow">http://iengage.org.uk/component/content/article/1-news/780-review-of-gilligans-islamic-republic-c4-documentary-about-the-ife</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abu Wannabe Arab</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16462</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Wannabe Arab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm Umar - being involed in a bit of community work does not mean that you are immune from criticism for promoting fascist ideology. The Nazi party in Germnay were also involved in some good youth and community work. The Israeli government is also involved in good community work, does that mean you are never going to attack them again?

Once again we notice that the IFE keyboard jihadi&#039;s have no confidence in their ideology and no desire to defend it in public. Rather they prefer to divert the topic to &#039;community work&#039; and &#039;Islamophobia&#039; and &#039;Muslim is politics&#039; - all of which are weak and silly lines of argument. Do you have any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm Umar &#8211; being involed in a bit of community work does not mean that you are immune from criticism for promoting fascist ideology. The Nazi party in Germnay were also involved in some good youth and community work. The Israeli government is also involved in good community work, does that mean you are never going to attack them again?</p>
<p>Once again we notice that the IFE keyboard jihadi&#8217;s have no confidence in their ideology and no desire to defend it in public. Rather they prefer to divert the topic to &#8216;community work&#8217; and &#8216;Islamophobia&#8217; and &#8216;Muslim is politics&#8217; &#8211; all of which are weak and silly lines of argument. Do you have any more?</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16461</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zalloom you didn&#039;t answer my question are you involved in any voluntary work to deal with life&#039;s everyday problems of crime, drugs, alcohol abuse, prostitution, teenage pregnancy, underachievement,  violence on the streets and schools etc...these are a fraction of the problems I see. If you have a better way of solving these problems than &#039;these extremists&#039; then please share....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zalloom you didn&#8217;t answer my question are you involved in any voluntary work to deal with life&#8217;s everyday problems of crime, drugs, alcohol abuse, prostitution, teenage pregnancy, underachievement,  violence on the streets and schools etc&#8230;these are a fraction of the problems I see. If you have a better way of solving these problems than &#8216;these extremists&#8217; then please share&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16455</link>
		<dc:creator>Whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - for the umpteenth time. No one is saying or suggesting that Muslims should not be involved in politics. That is a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue. Islamist entryism,  bullying and cronyism are the issues. Thousands of Muslims around the country are involved in politics without pushing a fascist agenda. Why don&#039;t you follow their example instead of trying to recreate some sort of &#039;Protocols of the elders of Zion&#039; Muslim version myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; for the umpteenth time. No one is saying or suggesting that Muslims should not be involved in politics. That is a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue. Islamist entryism,  bullying and cronyism are the issues. Thousands of Muslims around the country are involved in politics without pushing a fascist agenda. Why don&#8217;t you follow their example instead of trying to recreate some sort of &#8216;Protocols of the elders of Zion&#8217; Muslim version myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Zalloom</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16452</link>
		<dc:creator>Zalloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends what you think the problem is.  Can you explain how Mawdudi&#039;s  bloodthirsty ideology should be &#039;contextualized&#039; in today&#039;s times then?

You can read/ believe what you like as long as you don&#039;t try to impose it on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends what you think the problem is.  Can you explain how Mawdudi&#8217;s  bloodthirsty ideology should be &#8216;contextualized&#8217; in today&#8217;s times then?</p>
<p>You can read/ believe what you like as long as you don&#8217;t try to impose it on others.</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16439</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dan, sounds pretty logical. Also Zalloom I should have the freedom to read whatever I want as I have been given the intellect and guidance by the Quran and Sunnah to contextualize the information to where i live. When i study any text i think its common sense that one can take what is applicable and leave what does not apply. A lot of these authors wrote and spoke to different audiences in different lands, so how would it all apply to me here on a practical level?

So are you saying you will only speak to me on your conditions? Shame considering you don&#039;t even know if I have actually read any of these books. Learn not to judge and take people for what they offer and you are assuming I belong or support these organizations. From what I saw on Dispatches I couldn&#039;t see what it was trying to get at. If they are extremist  organizations then the obvious link would have been to show at least one individual who have been directly influenced only by IFE/MCB and have gone on to commit an extremist act, or an act against the law of the country. How many if any did Dr Bari send off to blow themselves up?? But i&#039;m sure in the department where he works and the community he works in many people have been inspired by him to go onto better their lives. I am one of those people. I heard him speak at a parents conference organized by the council and it helped to changed my life in the way I am raising my teenagers. Hopefully i won&#039;t have to spend any public money in having to treat my children for drugs or alcohol abuse.

Give a little credit for the lives these people may be changing. Just out of interest are you involved in any such voluntary work where you are trying to get people of the streets and engaging them in civic  society? If you do whats your agenda? And if you don&#039;t then why not? Whose responsibility is it to guide the community? 

My stance in life is you could be part of the solution or be the problem itself. Personally i prefer to be part of the solution. Before you point your finger at others reflect on what you have contributed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dan, sounds pretty logical. Also Zalloom I should have the freedom to read whatever I want as I have been given the intellect and guidance by the Quran and Sunnah to contextualize the information to where i live. When i study any text i think its common sense that one can take what is applicable and leave what does not apply. A lot of these authors wrote and spoke to different audiences in different lands, so how would it all apply to me here on a practical level?</p>
<p>So are you saying you will only speak to me on your conditions? Shame considering you don&#8217;t even know if I have actually read any of these books. Learn not to judge and take people for what they offer and you are assuming I belong or support these organizations. From what I saw on Dispatches I couldn&#8217;t see what it was trying to get at. If they are extremist  organizations then the obvious link would have been to show at least one individual who have been directly influenced only by IFE/MCB and have gone on to commit an extremist act, or an act against the law of the country. How many if any did Dr Bari send off to blow themselves up?? But i&#8217;m sure in the department where he works and the community he works in many people have been inspired by him to go onto better their lives. I am one of those people. I heard him speak at a parents conference organized by the council and it helped to changed my life in the way I am raising my teenagers. Hopefully i won&#8217;t have to spend any public money in having to treat my children for drugs or alcohol abuse.</p>
<p>Give a little credit for the lives these people may be changing. Just out of interest are you involved in any such voluntary work where you are trying to get people of the streets and engaging them in civic  society? If you do whats your agenda? And if you don&#8217;t then why not? Whose responsibility is it to guide the community? </p>
<p>My stance in life is you could be part of the solution or be the problem itself. Personally i prefer to be part of the solution. Before you point your finger at others reflect on what you have contributed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16437</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Muslims are engaged they are extremists, if they are then they are isolating themselves and not being part of society.

Does anyone see the ridiculousness of this? Individual Muslims may be becoming more engaged in politics, running for local election and as a result party popularity amongst the community has grown, surely that is a good thing?  Getting the community more aware, more involved. How so does the success of an individual Muslim and party popularity and member growth then have anything to do with IFE?

please answer that question....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Muslims are engaged they are extremists, if they are then they are isolating themselves and not being part of society.</p>
<p>Does anyone see the ridiculousness of this? Individual Muslims may be becoming more engaged in politics, running for local election and as a result party popularity amongst the community has grown, surely that is a good thing?  Getting the community more aware, more involved. How so does the success of an individual Muslim and party popularity and member growth then have anything to do with IFE?</p>
<p>please answer that question&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zalloom</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16417</link>
		<dc:creator>Zalloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm Umar,

You could start with publically distancing yourself from the writings of Maudoodi.  Then explaining the ideological links between the IFE, MCB, FOSIS and Maudoodi&#039;s organization &#039;Jamaat-e-Islami&#039;. 

Once you ditch Maudoodian philosophy, we can then consider having a frank discussion.  Is that ok?

For more on Maudoodi see: http://www.spittoon.org/archives/2337</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm Umar,</p>
<p>You could start with publically distancing yourself from the writings of Maudoodi.  Then explaining the ideological links between the IFE, MCB, FOSIS and Maudoodi&#8217;s organization &#8216;Jamaat-e-Islami&#8217;. </p>
<p>Once you ditch Maudoodian philosophy, we can then consider having a frank discussion.  Is that ok?</p>
<p>For more on Maudoodi see: <a href="http://www.spittoon.org/archives/2337" rel="nofollow">http://www.spittoon.org/archives/2337</a></p>
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		<title>By: Umm Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16411</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew your claims are slightly childish. If an organization has members and affiliates then of course they will rally around sending texts and emails to defend their organization that they believe and volunteer in!!! IFE is an affiliate of MCB and will definitely look after its affiliates. Don&#039;t be so naive. Where there is truth and sincerity people can try but at teh end of the day sane and genuine people will always see through the cynics, slanderers  and scaremongers. 

If you genuinely have a solution for the muslim community on how they should engage why not as a decent human being that you are concerned about Britain come to the leaders and have a frank and open discussion with them and offer your valuable insight into what it means to be British. It is obvious we are struggling coz when we engage we have a hidden agenda and we don&#039;t then we are ghettoizing ourselves. Please I sincerely request your valuable advice as i work with a lot of young Muslim girls. I could really do with your help and support rather than creating more divisions and fear amongst a good British society that I love and am a part of</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew your claims are slightly childish. If an organization has members and affiliates then of course they will rally around sending texts and emails to defend their organization that they believe and volunteer in!!! IFE is an affiliate of MCB and will definitely look after its affiliates. Don&#8217;t be so naive. Where there is truth and sincerity people can try but at teh end of the day sane and genuine people will always see through the cynics, slanderers  and scaremongers. </p>
<p>If you genuinely have a solution for the muslim community on how they should engage why not as a decent human being that you are concerned about Britain come to the leaders and have a frank and open discussion with them and offer your valuable insight into what it means to be British. It is obvious we are struggling coz when we engage we have a hidden agenda and we don&#8217;t then we are ghettoizing ourselves. Please I sincerely request your valuable advice as i work with a lot of young Muslim girls. I could really do with your help and support rather than creating more divisions and fear amongst a good British society that I love and am a part of</p>
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		<title>By: Spitoon Zindabad</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5304#comment-16404</link>
		<dc:creator>Spitoon Zindabad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, it&#039;s OK to talk-up your friend&#039;s hatchet job: http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5252

but not criticise it.

Kettle. Pot. Black</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it&#8217;s OK to talk-up your friend&#8217;s hatchet job: <a href="http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5252" rel="nofollow">http://www.spittoon.org/archives/5252</a></p>
<p>but not criticise it.</p>
<p>Kettle. Pot. Black</p>
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