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		<title>By: Jai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that, Abu Faris, very interesting. (Apologies for not replying sooner -- New Year activities and all at).

You should find the following article from a few years ago interesting too; it mentions Rahman Baba and his shrine at the start:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/14/saudiarabia.terrorism

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Again, I very strongly recommend that people read those books about the Third Reich written by Richard J. Evans which I mentioned earlier. They&#039;re exhaustively researched, packed with authenticated facts &amp; figures, and the author is sufficiently knowledgeable about the specifics of Nazi policies &amp; actions culminating in the Holocaust to have been able to completely demolish the claims made by Irving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, Abu Faris, very interesting. (Apologies for not replying sooner &#8212; New Year activities and all at).</p>
<p>You should find the following article from a few years ago interesting too; it mentions Rahman Baba and his shrine at the start:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/14/saudiarabia.terrorism" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/14/saudiarabia.terrorism</a></p>
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<p>Again, I very strongly recommend that people read those books about the Third Reich written by Richard J. Evans which I mentioned earlier. They&#8217;re exhaustively researched, packed with authenticated facts &amp; figures, and the author is sufficiently knowledgeable about the specifics of Nazi policies &amp; actions culminating in the Holocaust to have been able to completely demolish the claims made by Irving.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/4380#comment-15071</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and very apposite in a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and very apposite in a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or there is this:

Elvis Presley with Dari translation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ofDkJTVF0Q&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or there is this:</p>
<p>Elvis Presley with Dari translation!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ofDkJTVF0Q&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ofDkJTVF0Q&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/4380#comment-15069</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many years ago, in a Chaikhona (teahouse) in Tajikistan, hard up against the Afghan border where it turns into a pan-handle:

 While the snow fell hard outside, I sat and listened to Afghan musicians sing the praises of this Pashtun Shaykh and sing his words. 

The great Pamirs looked down and we drank green tea and we were contend.

The Nightingale of Afghanistan, indeed.

Proust had his Madeleines, I have the sounds of Afghanistan and the Roof of the World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago, in a Chaikhona (teahouse) in Tajikistan, hard up against the Afghan border where it turns into a pan-handle:</p>
<p> While the snow fell hard outside, I sat and listened to Afghan musicians sing the praises of this Pashtun Shaykh and sing his words. </p>
<p>The great Pamirs looked down and we drank green tea and we were contend.</p>
<p>The Nightingale of Afghanistan, indeed.</p>
<p>Proust had his Madeleines, I have the sounds of Afghanistan and the Roof of the World.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/4380#comment-15068</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jai,

I hope all is well.

Rahman Jai&#039;s stunning &lt;i&gt;Dasé makh de manawwarr&lt;/i&gt; is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sch1wM02hI0

Listen and be prepared to be moved.

They may destroy his tomb, but they cannot destroy his message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jai,</p>
<p>I hope all is well.</p>
<p>Rahman Jai&#8217;s stunning <i>Dasé makh de manawwarr</i> is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sch1wM02hI0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sch1wM02hI0</a></p>
<p>Listen and be prepared to be moved.</p>
<p>They may destroy his tomb, but they cannot destroy his message.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/4380#comment-15067</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The destruction of the tombs of Sufi shaykhs in Somalia by Islamist terrorists, the destruction of the tombs and shrines of the family of the Prophet in Medina and elsewhere by the Wahhabi in Saudi Arabia (together with repeated threats from such to destroy the tomb of the Prophet) remain an enormous loss not just to Muslim believers, but to the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rahman Baba&#039;s shrine in Afghanistan was also destroyed by the Taliban earlier this year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahman_Baba ). And given the number of major Sufi shrines in Pakistan and the history of Sufi influence in that part of the world during the past thousand years, I doubt that the Islamists discussed in the main article have a particularly benevolent stance towards that either, or indeed the famous historical figures involved and their respective messages.

&lt;blockquote&gt;He is of course the man who, in nothing more than an exuberant phase typical of nice young men the world over, endorsed Holocaust denial and antisemitic “Khazar” tales in a lecture in the UK......Qadhi blamed a notorious Holocaust denial website and the lack of Google and Wikipedia (that well-known reliable source) for his enthusiastic embrace of some of the worst forms of Jew hatred.....And there were, you know, history books before Google and Wikipedia.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For people who really want to get a thorough understanding of the full scale of the horrific state-sponsored systematic persecution that was inflicted on Jewish people during the Third Reich, the following trilogy of books by the historian Richard J. Evans should definitely be the first source of information. They are very disturbing reading, but I very strongly recommend that you check them out; the books are regarded as the most comprehensive account of the rise and fall of the Third Reich ever written by a single author:

1. The Coming of the Third Reich: How the Nazis destroyed Democracy and seized power in Germany.

http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+coming+of+the+third+reich/5201154/

2. The Third Reich in Power, 1933-1939: How the Nazis won over the hearts and minds of a nation.

http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+third+reich+in+power2c+1933-1939/5417291/ 

3. The Third Reich at War: How the Nazis led Germany from conquest to disaster.

http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+third+reich+at+war/6664705/ 

Richard J. Evans was also an expert witness during a trial involving the notorious Holocaust denier David Irving in 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Evans ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The destruction of the tombs of Sufi shaykhs in Somalia by Islamist terrorists, the destruction of the tombs and shrines of the family of the Prophet in Medina and elsewhere by the Wahhabi in Saudi Arabia (together with repeated threats from such to destroy the tomb of the Prophet) remain an enormous loss not just to Muslim believers, but to the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>Rahman Baba&#8217;s shrine in Afghanistan was also destroyed by the Taliban earlier this year (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahman_Baba" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahman_Baba</a> ). And given the number of major Sufi shrines in Pakistan and the history of Sufi influence in that part of the world during the past thousand years, I doubt that the Islamists discussed in the main article have a particularly benevolent stance towards that either, or indeed the famous historical figures involved and their respective messages.</p>
<blockquote><p>He is of course the man who, in nothing more than an exuberant phase typical of nice young men the world over, endorsed Holocaust denial and antisemitic “Khazar” tales in a lecture in the UK&#8230;&#8230;Qadhi blamed a notorious Holocaust denial website and the lack of Google and Wikipedia (that well-known reliable source) for his enthusiastic embrace of some of the worst forms of Jew hatred&#8230;..And there were, you know, history books before Google and Wikipedia.</p></blockquote>
<p>For people who really want to get a thorough understanding of the full scale of the horrific state-sponsored systematic persecution that was inflicted on Jewish people during the Third Reich, the following trilogy of books by the historian Richard J. Evans should definitely be the first source of information. They are very disturbing reading, but I very strongly recommend that you check them out; the books are regarded as the most comprehensive account of the rise and fall of the Third Reich ever written by a single author:</p>
<p>1. The Coming of the Third Reich: How the Nazis destroyed Democracy and seized power in Germany.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+coming+of+the+third+reich/5201154/" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+coming+of+the+third+reich/5201154/</a></p>
<p>2. The Third Reich in Power, 1933-1939: How the Nazis won over the hearts and minds of a nation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+third+reich+in+power2c+1933-1939/5417291/" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+third+reich+in+power2c+1933-1939/5417291/</a> </p>
<p>3. The Third Reich at War: How the Nazis led Germany from conquest to disaster.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+third+reich+at+war/6664705/" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/richard+j-+evans/the+third+reich+at+war/6664705/</a> </p>
<p>Richard J. Evans was also an expert witness during a trial involving the notorious Holocaust denier David Irving in 2000 (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Evans" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Evans</a> ).</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/4380#comment-15066</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent stuff from Habibi, as usual.

The topics of the sinister flyer for the &quot;Dark Forces - the Enemy Within&quot; event are of interest. The sectarianism of Sunni Islamism (in contrast with the equally foul Shi&#039;a Islamism) is manifest in the three issues to be discussed:

Grave Worship - Salafi-inspired Islamism has long accused both the Shi&#039;a and Sufi of being &quot;grave worshippers&quot;. 

The destruction of the tombs of Sufi shaykhs in Somalia by Islamist terrorists, the destruction of the tombs and shrines of the family of the Prophet in Medina and elsewhere by the Wahhabi in Saudi Arabia (together with repeated threats from such to destroy the tomb of the Prophet) remain an enormous loss not just to Muslim believers, but to the world.

New Age Islam - This is clearly targetting the new Sufi orders that have sprung up in the West, and more widely the emergence of Western Islam, with its criticism of Islamism and its support for liberal, progressive, reformatory interpretations of Islam - interpretations that stress the seperation of religion and state, secularism, tolerance and democratic norms.

Sihr - the traditional Arabic for witchcraft. For Salafi-inspired Sunni Islamism, &lt;i&gt;sihr&lt;/i&gt; is not simply witchcraft, but any pre-Islamic or allegedly non-Islamic cultural practices that may be embedded in the various forms of Islam that have grown up over the centuries across the world. Equally, this is an assault on the &lt;i&gt;dhikr&lt;/i&gt; of the Sufi and other non-Salafi groups. In contrast, the Islamists stress a monolithic and ultimately totalitarian brand of Islam that is completely intolerant of the rich plurality of traditions and practices that have historically marked Islam.

In all, the sinister flyer advertises the narrow-minded, ahistorical, authoritarian bigotry of the Salafi-inspired Islamism at the very heart of the &quot;Islam&quot; being promoted by ELM and its followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent stuff from Habibi, as usual.</p>
<p>The topics of the sinister flyer for the &#8220;Dark Forces &#8211; the Enemy Within&#8221; event are of interest. The sectarianism of Sunni Islamism (in contrast with the equally foul Shi&#8217;a Islamism) is manifest in the three issues to be discussed:</p>
<p>Grave Worship &#8211; Salafi-inspired Islamism has long accused both the Shi&#8217;a and Sufi of being &#8220;grave worshippers&#8221;. </p>
<p>The destruction of the tombs of Sufi shaykhs in Somalia by Islamist terrorists, the destruction of the tombs and shrines of the family of the Prophet in Medina and elsewhere by the Wahhabi in Saudi Arabia (together with repeated threats from such to destroy the tomb of the Prophet) remain an enormous loss not just to Muslim believers, but to the world.</p>
<p>New Age Islam &#8211; This is clearly targetting the new Sufi orders that have sprung up in the West, and more widely the emergence of Western Islam, with its criticism of Islamism and its support for liberal, progressive, reformatory interpretations of Islam &#8211; interpretations that stress the seperation of religion and state, secularism, tolerance and democratic norms.</p>
<p>Sihr &#8211; the traditional Arabic for witchcraft. For Salafi-inspired Sunni Islamism, <i>sihr</i> is not simply witchcraft, but any pre-Islamic or allegedly non-Islamic cultural practices that may be embedded in the various forms of Islam that have grown up over the centuries across the world. Equally, this is an assault on the <i>dhikr</i> of the Sufi and other non-Salafi groups. In contrast, the Islamists stress a monolithic and ultimately totalitarian brand of Islam that is completely intolerant of the rich plurality of traditions and practices that have historically marked Islam.</p>
<p>In all, the sinister flyer advertises the narrow-minded, ahistorical, authoritarian bigotry of the Salafi-inspired Islamism at the very heart of the &#8220;Islam&#8221; being promoted by ELM and its followers.</p>
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