none of the arguments advocated by Spittoon, CSC or QF do anything more than entrench their feeling that there is a conspiracy to get HT.

One wonders what Irfan means by the term “conspiracy” in this context. Spittoon is just a blog, and both CSC and QF are think tanks. All three of these are openly opposed to HuT and what it stands for but none of them have any power to do anything as opposed to write their views and say what they think. How can this possibly be a conspiracy?

Islamic / Muslim Schools appear to present a particular problem and even ones which get a good OFSTED report seem to be hell bent on spreading religious hatred and sepratism.

Unfortunately I feel the only answer is to close them and move the pupils into the mainstream school system. Sorry, but I don’t see any other way to avoid, in a decade or two a serious islamist insurgency in this country.
If that happens the backlash against the peaceful majority of muslims will be violent and bloody.

Of course, thats what HuT want of course, anything to push the majority into the arms of the extremists.

the arguments advocated by Spittoon, CSC or QF do anything more than entrench their feeling that there is a conspiracy to get HT.

I am not involved in a conspiracy to get HT. I make no secret of my desire to see them crash and burn.

I would, for example, outrightly ban HT in the UK.

You’re right, it wasn’t involved with violence because Faisal Mostafa and his group were apprehended before they could start using the bombs, explosives and munitions that they had been manufacturing. The Green Crescent charity obviously thought that a British charity and an orphanage was a good front for their terrorist activities.

If Mostafa had been successful, who knows how many innocent people, *mostly Muslims*, would have been killed?

If people on this site are “hardened in their views” towards Hizb it is because they are so quick to dismiss real evidence of terrorism and violence as “allegations”, just as you have demonstrated here. So spare us the “oppressed Muslim” act.

The problem with discussions on Spittoon and similar sites is that it makes those already with the hizb hardened in their views, there are many people that I know of that are considering or close to leaving and none of the arguments advocated by Spittoon, CSC or QF do anything more than entrench their feeling that there is a conspiracy to get HT.

members or dariseen, beyond their official work with the party, are entitled to do whatever they want, provided it is governed withing the dictates of islamic law (other than adopted opinions, that must be followed, members are free to take their reference from any islamic school of law, including shi’a schools. dariseen, on the other hand, are not yet bound to the adopted ideas of the party, that comes after an oath is taken).

so hizb-ut-tahrir are perfectly correct to say they don’t run these schools, and if the separisitst ideas have influenced the worried parents who send their children to these schools, as an outlet, than it the parent’s choice and you should engage with it on that basis and not whether hizb-ut-tahrir’s plan of ‘world domination’ includes lawyers, teachers and doctors, who are affiliated with the hizb, will always and by necessity be under ‘official party activity’.

this is really childish, if you’ve left hizb-ut-tahrir, i’d advise you to do something more beneficial and that means bigger issues – world poverty, disease, water provision … in the grand scheme of things this is only relevant to people who already have a project of ‘world domination’ and you know what i mean….

get over hizb-ut-tahrir,

Is Tzortsis a “non-member” of the Hizb in the same way that Farah Ahmed of the Shakhsiyah Foundation is a “non-member” of the Hizb?

As for brother Hamza Tzortsis, he was a member of HT up until earlier this year, when he announced he had left.

After years of manning stalls, selling tickets to confererences, distributing leaflets and attending halaqaat, what exactly made you see the light? In hindsight you refer to insanity and indoctrination, but back then you believed in it. Take responsibility and move on and stop acting out your want for revenge in cyberspace.