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		<title>By: Yossarian</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13871</link>
		<dc:creator>Yossarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The screenshots hold no water in my opinion as any photoshop geek can do wonders!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So log into the forum and check them for yourself, rather than making entirely unsubstantiated (and serious) allegations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The screenshots hold no water in my opinion as any photoshop geek can do wonders!</p></blockquote>
<p>So log into the forum and check them for yourself, rather than making entirely unsubstantiated (and serious) allegations.</p>
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		<title>By: James Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13866</link>
		<dc:creator>James Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think Azad is a threat in any way shape or form. People are trying to dig into old news trying to make them into something worth while. I really think we should move on, i know were the last country to be very slow at recovering from this recession but this story can very easily be faked.

The screenshots hold no water in my opinion as any photoshop geek can do wonders!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think Azad is a threat in any way shape or form. People are trying to dig into old news trying to make them into something worth while. I really think we should move on, i know were the last country to be very slow at recovering from this recession but this story can very easily be faked.</p>
<p>The screenshots hold no water in my opinion as any photoshop geek can do wonders!</p>
<p>Well thats just a few of my cents!</p>
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		<title>By: Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13865</link>
		<dc:creator>Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM - You asked for an honest answer, so I&#039;ll be as honest as I can.

Do I think that Azad Ali is an extremist/ Islamist? Well, obviously I dont think that Azad Ali is the next bin Laden, or even the next Anjem Choudary. Having read a fair web of his web-posts and listened to his Easy Talk show, I&#039;d say that in some respects he&#039;s a pretty normal guy. That said, however, he is demonstrably more extreme that most British Muslims - witness his older posts praising Anwar Al-Awlaki and Abdullah Azzam, saying that Ismail Haniyeh would make an ideal caliph etc etc - these are things which most Muslims wouldn&#039;t agree with. And do I think that he&#039;s an Islamist? Well, yes I do; Azad Ali does repeatedly adopt Islamist view points and he is after all a prominent member of Islamic Forum Europe, a pretty out-and-out Islamist organisation.

That said, however, I think that these questions are somewhat beside the point of my post. My post aimed to argue (and I hope that this was sufficiently clear to readers) not that Ali was problematic because he was an Islamist per se but rather that as a civil servant paid by the British taxpayer, and as the head of the Civil Service Islamic Society, he should not be publicly advising people to &#039;resist&#039; the government&#039;s Prevent programme.

To turn this question around - would you be happy if the head of the Civil Service&#039;s Christian Society (assuming that there is one) called on white British people to &#039;resist&#039; government policies to tackle BNP/National Front-style white supremacist extremism - or saying that Muslims will &#039;never be pleased&#039; with Christians? Or would you think that this would be incompatible with their job as a civil servant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM &#8211; You asked for an honest answer, so I&#8217;ll be as honest as I can.</p>
<p>Do I think that Azad Ali is an extremist/ Islamist? Well, obviously I dont think that Azad Ali is the next bin Laden, or even the next Anjem Choudary. Having read a fair web of his web-posts and listened to his Easy Talk show, I&#8217;d say that in some respects he&#8217;s a pretty normal guy. That said, however, he is demonstrably more extreme that most British Muslims &#8211; witness his older posts praising Anwar Al-Awlaki and Abdullah Azzam, saying that Ismail Haniyeh would make an ideal caliph etc etc &#8211; these are things which most Muslims wouldn&#8217;t agree with. And do I think that he&#8217;s an Islamist? Well, yes I do; Azad Ali does repeatedly adopt Islamist view points and he is after all a prominent member of Islamic Forum Europe, a pretty out-and-out Islamist organisation.</p>
<p>That said, however, I think that these questions are somewhat beside the point of my post. My post aimed to argue (and I hope that this was sufficiently clear to readers) not that Ali was problematic because he was an Islamist per se but rather that as a civil servant paid by the British taxpayer, and as the head of the Civil Service Islamic Society, he should not be publicly advising people to &#8216;resist&#8217; the government&#8217;s Prevent programme.</p>
<p>To turn this question around &#8211; would you be happy if the head of the Civil Service&#8217;s Christian Society (assuming that there is one) called on white British people to &#8216;resist&#8217; government policies to tackle BNP/National Front-style white supremacist extremism &#8211; or saying that Muslims will &#8216;never be pleased&#8217; with Christians? Or would you think that this would be incompatible with their job as a civil servant?</p>
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		<title>By: Faisal</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13863</link>
		<dc:creator>Faisal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing is believing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing is believing.</p>
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		<title>By: GM</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13862</link>
		<dc:creator>GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FF - because he hadn&#039;t done anything wrong!!

Al-Qanaas Al-Masri - ok be honest here - do you really think this Azad person is an extremist/ Islamist? Or do you just have something personal against him and/ or IFE? 

Fiyaz E12 - i don&#039;t think it&#039;s the likes of Azad that the goverment need to work on! I don&#039;t think Azad reflects badly on the &#039;innocent&#039; or &#039;muslims&#039;. It&#039;s unfortunate that the people who do do this are very rarely spoken about! They are the one&#039;s we should be naming and shaming!! 

What is it with people picking up names from the media and suddenly forming harsh perceptions of these people?! Certain media will always want to create scandals, and it&#039;s a shame &#039;we&#039; lap up all their stories!! Surely we&#039;re intelligent enough to do our own research and form our own conclusions - surely we don&#039;t have to take the media&#039;s stories on face value (which is the case here! Some people have read this blog and have straught away come to the conclusion that Azad is an extremist with radical views!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FF &#8211; because he hadn&#8217;t done anything wrong!!</p>
<p>Al-Qanaas Al-Masri &#8211; ok be honest here &#8211; do you really think this Azad person is an extremist/ Islamist? Or do you just have something personal against him and/ or IFE? </p>
<p>Fiyaz E12 &#8211; i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the likes of Azad that the goverment need to work on! I don&#8217;t think Azad reflects badly on the &#8216;innocent&#8217; or &#8216;muslims&#8217;. It&#8217;s unfortunate that the people who do do this are very rarely spoken about! They are the one&#8217;s we should be naming and shaming!! </p>
<p>What is it with people picking up names from the media and suddenly forming harsh perceptions of these people?! Certain media will always want to create scandals, and it&#8217;s a shame &#8216;we&#8217; lap up all their stories!! Surely we&#8217;re intelligent enough to do our own research and form our own conclusions &#8211; surely we don&#8217;t have to take the media&#8217;s stories on face value (which is the case here! Some people have read this blog and have straught away come to the conclusion that Azad is an extremist with radical views!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Flintstone</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13860</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederick Flintstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why Azad Ali wasn&#039;t fired the first time around.

How crazy does a person have to be before the Civil Service decides to take action???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why Azad Ali wasn&#8217;t fired the first time around.</p>
<p>How crazy does a person have to be before the Civil Service decides to take action???</p>
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		<title>By: Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13858</link>
		<dc:creator>Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the words of Charton Heston, &#039;I&#039;ll only give you these MP3 when you take them from my cold, dead hands&#039;.

Come and get &#039;em, IFE fuckwits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the words of Charton Heston, &#8216;I&#8217;ll only give you these MP3 when you take them from my cold, dead hands&#8217;.</p>
<p>Come and get &#8216;em, IFE fuckwits.</p>
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		<title>By: Yossarian</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13857</link>
		<dc:creator>Yossarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Following the link you provided, it looks like Azad Ali or his fan-boys have removed the mp3 files of the recordings of his shows from the easy-talk.org website.

Why were they removed? Well, it’s a lot harder for Azad Ali and his braindead defenders at the IFE blog to claim to be “deliberately misquoted” when he’s recorded himself saying &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Do they really think the Spittoon doesn&#039;t know to back up this kind of material to Effendi&#039;s secure server in South Waziristan. 

Nice try lads ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Following the link you provided, it looks like Azad Ali or his fan-boys have removed the mp3 files of the recordings of his shows from the easy-talk.org website.</p>
<p>Why were they removed? Well, it’s a lot harder for Azad Ali and his braindead defenders at the IFE blog to claim to be “deliberately misquoted” when he’s recorded himself saying </p></blockquote>
<p>Do they really think the Spittoon doesn&#8217;t know to back up this kind of material to Effendi&#8217;s secure server in South Waziristan. </p>
<p>Nice try lads <img src='http://www.spittoon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13856</link>
		<dc:creator>Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already saved the MP3s off-line. Bad luck Azad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already saved the MP3s off-line. Bad luck Azad!</p>
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		<title>By: dawood</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13848</link>
		<dc:creator>dawood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
‘I think the Home Office made a fantastically stupid, stupendous mistake when they created their list of individuals that they would ban. It was crazy and it was never going to work and they’ve got egg on their face now.’ [55:45]
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Following the link you provided, it looks like Azad Ali or his fan-boys have removed the mp3 files of the recordings of his shows from the  easy-talk.org website.

Why were they removed? Well, it&#039;s a lot harder for Azad Ali and his braindead defenders at the IFE blog to &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.islamicforumeurope.com/?p=699&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;claim&lt;/a&gt; to be &quot;deliberately misquoted&quot; when he&#039;s recorded himself saying it. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
‘I think the Home Office made a fantastically stupid, stupendous mistake when they created their list of individuals that they would ban. It was crazy and it was never going to work and they’ve got egg on their face now.’ [55:45]
</p></blockquote>
<p>Following the link you provided, it looks like Azad Ali or his fan-boys have removed the mp3 files of the recordings of his shows from the  easy-talk.org website.</p>
<p>Why were they removed? Well, it&#8217;s a lot harder for Azad Ali and his braindead defenders at the IFE blog to <a href="http://blog.islamicforumeurope.com/?p=699" rel="nofollow">claim</a> to be &#8220;deliberately misquoted&#8221; when he&#8217;s recorded himself saying it. <img src='http://www.spittoon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13812</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We got something planned for Mr Azad. 
:)
Coming soon, get it while it&#039;s hot!
Charlotte
Hur al-Ayn Cheerleaders</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got something planned for Mr Azad.<br />
 <img src='http://www.spittoon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Coming soon, get it while it&#8217;s hot!<br />
Charlotte<br />
Hur al-Ayn Cheerleaders</p>
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		<title>By: Live4Allah</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13811</link>
		<dc:creator>Live4Allah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Yunus - This is truly a verse from the Quran. But Azad Ali  has taken this verse out of context in a way that will damage the reputation of Islam and Muslims. For this he should be sternly criticised with the aim of forbidding the munkar with the heart and with the tongue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Yunus &#8211; This is truly a verse from the Quran. But Azad Ali  has taken this verse out of context in a way that will damage the reputation of Islam and Muslims. For this he should be sternly criticised with the aim of forbidding the munkar with the heart and with the tongue.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiyaz E12</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13810</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiyaz E12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Azad Ali is a disgrace to the civil service - and to all Muslims who are working and with the government towards the common good. I sincerely hope that the government deals with this matter before it reflects badly on innocent and sincere Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azad Ali is a disgrace to the civil service &#8211; and to all Muslims who are working and with the government towards the common good. I sincerely hope that the government deals with this matter before it reflects badly on innocent and sincere Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13809</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come off it, This is such a non issue. Azad Ali is sooo last year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come off it, This is such a non issue. Azad Ali is sooo last year!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13807</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a non issue and again making a story out of nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a non issue and again making a story out of nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Yunus</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13806</link>
		<dc:creator>Yunus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The extremist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, for example, regularly tells its followers that “Never will the Jews or Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their Creed.”&quot;

This is actually the translation of a verse from the Quran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The extremist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, for example, regularly tells its followers that “Never will the Jews or Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their Creed.”&#8221;</p>
<p>This is actually the translation of a verse from the Quran.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Satan</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13804</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Satan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, great find Qanaas!  Let&#039;s see how he tries to ride this wave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, great find Qanaas!  Let&#8217;s see how he tries to ride this wave</p>
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		<title>By: dawood</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3571#comment-13803</link>
		<dc:creator>dawood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the morally relativist times that we live in, Azad Ali will be protected, promoted and feted by the Civil Service. He will be appointed to yet more advisory panels and Shami Chakrabarty will champion him as a voice of &quot;the oppressed, downtrodden Muslim&quot; of our society by giving him a seat on the board of Liberty. Oh wait, he already has that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the morally relativist times that we live in, Azad Ali will be protected, promoted and feted by the Civil Service. He will be appointed to yet more advisory panels and Shami Chakrabarty will champion him as a voice of &#8220;the oppressed, downtrodden Muslim&#8221; of our society by giving him a seat on the board of Liberty. Oh wait, he already has that.</p>
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