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	<title>Comments on: Iranian government employee involved in British ‘Prevent’ programme</title>
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	<description>Heresy is another word for freedom of thought</description>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14080</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick and tired of fatuous remarks such as:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It easy it is for people to write things without at least a comment on the side of the person being commented on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excuse me? Has anyone &lt;i&gt;stopped&lt;/i&gt; Fareena Alam or anyone else from making a comment? Are you seriously suggesting that we should not comment upon anything without first contacting the people with whom we may have issues?

The holier-and-thou act may work to close down discussion elsewhere, sunbeam; but (to mix metaphors) it butters no parsnips hereabouts.

Aren&#039;t we &lt;i&gt;rude&lt;/i&gt;! Tsk tsk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick and tired of fatuous remarks such as:</p>
<blockquote><p>It easy it is for people to write things without at least a comment on the side of the person being commented on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Excuse me? Has anyone <i>stopped</i> Fareena Alam or anyone else from making a comment? Are you seriously suggesting that we should not comment upon anything without first contacting the people with whom we may have issues?</p>
<p>The holier-and-thou act may work to close down discussion elsewhere, sunbeam; but (to mix metaphors) it butters no parsnips hereabouts.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t we <i>rude</i>! Tsk tsk.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14078</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiredofpolemics,

So you have no intention of answering any of the direct and very clear questions you were repeatedly asked?

You are not concerned with the contents of blogs, just their form. A sort of meta-critique, then? How very sophisticated and convenient for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiredofpolemics,</p>
<p>So you have no intention of answering any of the direct and very clear questions you were repeatedly asked?</p>
<p>You are not concerned with the contents of blogs, just their form. A sort of meta-critique, then? How very sophisticated and convenient for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiredofpolemics</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14076</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiredofpolemics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the final time my comments were a reflection on the nature of blogs and how it easy it is for people to write things without at least a comment on the side of the person being commented on. 
As I have said I am not interested in the political points being made because there is very little &#039;good&#039; politics out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the final time my comments were a reflection on the nature of blogs and how it easy it is for people to write things without at least a comment on the side of the person being commented on.<br />
As I have said I am not interested in the political points being made because there is very little &#8216;good&#8217; politics out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14075</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m having enormous fun, sitting on my balcony, puffing on a shisha loaded with grape and mint tobacco, sipping coffee, struggling with the wifi connection and watching tens of thousands of Algerian and Egyptian footie fans running riot across down-town Khartoum in the build-up to the World Cup play-off here tonight.

Her indoors is in fits at NTN&#039;s live match build-up commentary from the stadium in Omdurman, where the Algerian fans have already begun stoning Sudanese riot police... meanwhile the Egyptians are getting quietly stoned in a different way.

I am hoping this could be the final nail in the coffin of Shari&#039;a compliance in Sudan.

Meanwhile, back on Spittoon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m having enormous fun, sitting on my balcony, puffing on a shisha loaded with grape and mint tobacco, sipping coffee, struggling with the wifi connection and watching tens of thousands of Algerian and Egyptian footie fans running riot across down-town Khartoum in the build-up to the World Cup play-off here tonight.</p>
<p>Her indoors is in fits at NTN&#8217;s live match build-up commentary from the stadium in Omdurman, where the Algerian fans have already begun stoning Sudanese riot police&#8230; meanwhile the Egyptians are getting quietly stoned in a different way.</p>
<p>I am hoping this could be the final nail in the coffin of Shari&#8217;a compliance in Sudan.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back on Spittoon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maroc Clementine</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14073</link>
		<dc:creator>Maroc Clementine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy to accept your compliments but they won&#039;t make up for your inability to make a single worthwhile point or even address a single question that has been asked of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy to accept your compliments but they won&#8217;t make up for your inability to make a single worthwhile point or even address a single question that has been asked of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiredofpolemics</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14072</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiredofpolemics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may i return the same complement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may i return the same complement!</p>
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		<title>By: Maroc Clementine</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14071</link>
		<dc:creator>Maroc Clementine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tired of TiredofPolemics&#039;s polemics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tired of TiredofPolemics&#8217;s polemics.</p>
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		<title>By: Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14070</link>
		<dc:creator>Al-Qanaas Al-Masri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quite normal for people to come on Spittoon and try to argue insane and untenable points. 

However it is unusual for someone to come on, write several hundred words of fairly passable English and still fail to make even one single, incoherent and intelligible point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite normal for people to come on Spittoon and try to argue insane and untenable points. </p>
<p>However it is unusual for someone to come on, write several hundred words of fairly passable English and still fail to make even one single, incoherent and intelligible point.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14069</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiredofpolenics

Do you intend to actually answer any of the very clear and direct questions you have been asked?

Yes or no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiredofpolenics</p>
<p>Do you intend to actually answer any of the very clear and direct questions you have been asked?</p>
<p>Yes or no?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheikh Spear</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14068</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheikh Spear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Headbutts computer]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Headbutts computer]</p>
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		<title>By: Tiredofpolemics</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14067</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiredofpolemics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abu Faris - you have just said what was going through my mind (though I am not sure that you may have meant it the way I have take it) - I guess what is behind my comments are what comes across as the vested interests of the original article - whether pro or anti Iran is immaterial to me - I am not interested in Iranian politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abu Faris &#8211; you have just said what was going through my mind (though I am not sure that you may have meant it the way I have take it) &#8211; I guess what is behind my comments are what comes across as the vested interests of the original article &#8211; whether pro or anti Iran is immaterial to me &#8211; I am not interested in Iranian politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14066</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have made no points whatsoever!

At least none that have any bearing on this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have made no points whatsoever!</p>
<p>At least none that have any bearing on this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiredofpolemics</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14065</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiredofpolemics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have made the points I want to make - therefore there is not point in continuing this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made the points I want to make &#8211; therefore there is not point in continuing this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14064</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TredofPolemics, to be fair, may be waiting on the instructions about what to write next to be translated from Farsi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TredofPolemics, to be fair, may be waiting on the instructions about what to write next to be translated from Farsi.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheikh Spear</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14063</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheikh Spear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww man .... For approximately the ten-billionth time: THIS IS NOT ABOUT FAREENA ALAM&#039;S PERSONAL VIEWS OR ABILITIES.

The question is whether a &#039;someone who works for the propaganda arm of totalitarian, anti-democratic Islamist theocracy be involved in running the UK’s taxpayer-funded counter-extremism initiatives?’ 

The pertinent facts are that:

- Fareena works for Press TV
- Press TV is a propaganda arm of the Iranian government
- The Iranian government is a totalitarian, anti-democratic dictatorship
- Fareena is also heavily involved in the Radical Middle Way
- The Radical Middle Way is one of the UK government&#039;s flag-ship counter-extremism programmes

I do not see how any of these facts need to be &#039;verified&#039;  or how they could in any way be altered by speaking to Fareena Alam or anyone-else!

Are you actually disputing any of these facts (and if so which ones) or do you have other objections which you are, for some reason, unable to articulate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww man &#8230;. For approximately the ten-billionth time: THIS IS NOT ABOUT FAREENA ALAM&#8217;S PERSONAL VIEWS OR ABILITIES.</p>
<p>The question is whether a &#8217;someone who works for the propaganda arm of totalitarian, anti-democratic Islamist theocracy be involved in running the UK’s taxpayer-funded counter-extremism initiatives?’ </p>
<p>The pertinent facts are that:</p>
<p>- Fareena works for Press TV<br />
- Press TV is a propaganda arm of the Iranian government<br />
- The Iranian government is a totalitarian, anti-democratic dictatorship<br />
- Fareena is also heavily involved in the Radical Middle Way<br />
- The Radical Middle Way is one of the UK government&#8217;s flag-ship counter-extremism programmes</p>
<p>I do not see how any of these facts need to be &#8216;verified&#8217;  or how they could in any way be altered by speaking to Fareena Alam or anyone-else!</p>
<p>Are you actually disputing any of these facts (and if so which ones) or do you have other objections which you are, for some reason, unable to articulate?</p>
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		<title>By: Tiredofpolemics</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14062</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiredofpolemics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine call it what you like but the &#039;moral relativism&#039; works both ways!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine call it what you like but the &#8216;moral relativism&#8217; works both ways!</p>
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		<title>By: Maroc Clementine</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14061</link>
		<dc:creator>Maroc Clementine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh boy, more moral relativism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh boy, more moral relativism.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiredofpolemics</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14058</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiredofpolemics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not the person who has set up this blog and who is writing my views about the world on it for all to see and get access to. Writing blogs as far as I understand is for the purpose of getting a reaction - that is unless of course  those who are writing in this blog only want people who agree with them to respond. 

I am not really interested in the principle of whether ‘...someone who works for the propaganda arm of totalitarian, anti-democratic Islamist theocracy be involved in running the UK’s taxpayer-funded counter-extremism initiatives?’ as the world is full of similar conflicts and contradictions relative to the context of particular countries. That is not what concerns me - it is the accusations made without first verifying the information, as far as I can see the person in question hasn&#039;t been spoken to personally and the responses to the article do become personal because the original article was written is such a way as to create that response.

I would have found more merit in the position of the original article if it had supported what it was saying with a response from the organisations and individuals in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not the person who has set up this blog and who is writing my views about the world on it for all to see and get access to. Writing blogs as far as I understand is for the purpose of getting a reaction &#8211; that is unless of course  those who are writing in this blog only want people who agree with them to respond. </p>
<p>I am not really interested in the principle of whether ‘&#8230;someone who works for the propaganda arm of totalitarian, anti-democratic Islamist theocracy be involved in running the UK’s taxpayer-funded counter-extremism initiatives?’ as the world is full of similar conflicts and contradictions relative to the context of particular countries. That is not what concerns me &#8211; it is the accusations made without first verifying the information, as far as I can see the person in question hasn&#8217;t been spoken to personally and the responses to the article do become personal because the original article was written is such a way as to create that response.</p>
<p>I would have found more merit in the position of the original article if it had supported what it was saying with a response from the organisations and individuals in question.</p>
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		<title>By: Maroc Clementine</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14054</link>
		<dc:creator>Maroc Clementine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;I am a Muslim and I work on the basis that unfounded slander is a heinous injustice if not crime – I am tired of the plethora of unfounded information and slander being churned out there regardless of which end of the polemic they are from.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

What exactly is &quot;unfounded slander&quot; in the article?

That Ms Alam is a reporter for PressTV, the propaganda outlet of the authoritarian Iranian theocratic regime?

Or that Ms Alam is one of the founding members of the Radical Middle Way, which has received hundreds of thousands of pounds of tax-payers money?

Or is it the conjoining of these two pieces of information that has upset you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I am a Muslim and I work on the basis that unfounded slander is a heinous injustice if not crime – I am tired of the plethora of unfounded information and slander being churned out there regardless of which end of the polemic they are from.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>What exactly is &#8220;unfounded slander&#8221; in the article?</p>
<p>That Ms Alam is a reporter for PressTV, the propaganda outlet of the authoritarian Iranian theocratic regime?</p>
<p>Or that Ms Alam is one of the founding members of the Radical Middle Way, which has received hundreds of thousands of pounds of tax-payers money?</p>
<p>Or is it the conjoining of these two pieces of information that has upset you?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheikh Spear</title>
		<link>http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3254/comment-page-1#comment-14053</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheikh Spear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your lengthy response. However, I note that you entirely failed to answer my question so I&#039;ll put it to you again: 

 ‘Should someone who works for the propaganda arm of totalitarian, anti-democratic Islamist theocracy be involved in running the UK’s taxpayer-funded counter-extremism initiatives?&#039;

This - as I stated before - is the issue that is at the core of my article.

What do you think? Do you fancy having another crack at answering it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your lengthy response. However, I note that you entirely failed to answer my question so I&#8217;ll put it to you again: </p>
<p> ‘Should someone who works for the propaganda arm of totalitarian, anti-democratic Islamist theocracy be involved in running the UK’s taxpayer-funded counter-extremism initiatives?&#8217;</p>
<p>This &#8211; as I stated before &#8211; is the issue that is at the core of my article.</p>
<p>What do you think? Do you fancy having another crack at answering it?</p>
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