Is it really fair to quote political positions from so far back
Guess Spittoon think so. Ok well here goes

Heres one thats 7 years old

“For example you forgotten to include in your sweeping surmise that the
USA (a Christian Democracy) has been involved in 42 wars and conflicts
in the last 40 years. This is a record of violence unbeaten by any
country, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever takes your
fancy.

It may be that you do not wish to include the USA in your statistics
because you are not willing to bite the hand that feeds. I can only
congratulate you then on your caution.”

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eshomabesh/message/4650

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and heres a gem from 1987

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FKUpGU_Jbp0/SOkfrli6UHI/AAAAAAAAAWw/94nt7ABvksk/s1600-h/Toube%27s+Return+pledge+2.jpg
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Against the Israeli Law of Return – For the Palestinian Right to Return
On 2 November 1917, the British Government issued the Balfour Declaration. This represented the first major victory for the Zionist project of transforming Palestine from a part of the Ottoman empire into a Jewish state – a project which came to fruition on 15 May 1948, with the proclamation of ‘the establishment of the Jewish state in Palestine’.
As a result, the Palestinian people now live either under Israeli rule or in exile. Those in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 (many of them refugees from areas occupied in 1948) live under continuing harsh military rule; those in the territories occupied in 1948 are second-class residents in a Jewish state, denied the rights and privileges accorded to those residents recognised by the state as Jews.
On 9 December 1987, the Palestinian people living under Israeli military occupation rose up against their oppressors. On 15 November 1988, the Palestine National Council declared the establishment of the independent state of Palestine. Two years on, the Intifada continues. It is now manifestly clear to everyone that the Israeli military occupation must end, and that the PLO is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Any pretence to the contrary is an obvious lie.
Meanwhile, the Israeli repression of the Palestinian people and their Intifada continues. Over 800 Palestinians (150 of them children) have been killed by the Israeli security forces or by settlers in the past two years. Many thousands more have been maimed, imprisoned without trial, had their homes destroyed or been expelled from their homeland.
Israel has become an armed camp, at war both with its neighbours and with its subject Palestinian population. In its operations in Africa, Asia and Latin America, Israel represents a major link in the world network of repressive and racist regimes. Its nuclear weapons capacity, developed in alliance with South Africa, is a danger to the entire Middle East, and to the whole world.
In spite of this, Jewish communities have been recruited by Israel as both support and justification for its activities. The historic sufferings of Jews, particularly the Nazi murder of six million European Jews, are held to justify Israel’s existence and behaviour. Israel continues to present itself as acting in the name of the Jewish people in international affairs.
We, entitled to the privileges accorded under the Israeli Law of Return to Jews and their close relatives, declare our opposition to the state of Israel as a Jewish state and to the Zionist movement. We call on our fellow Jews and their close relatives to join us in making the following statement:
* the Palestinian people, at whose expense the state of Israel was established and continues to exist, have the right to return, to self-determination and to their independent state on Palestinian soil;
* the Palestine Liberation Organisation is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people;
* the state of Israel does not represent all Jewish people, neither legally, morally nor in any other way;
* the Zionist structure of the state of Israel is at the heart of the racism and oppression against the Palestinian people, and should be dismantled.”

http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/10/fancy-that-david-taube-signs-up-to.html

Is it really fair to quote political positions from so far back
Guess Spittoon think so. Ok well here goes

Heres one thats 7 years old

For example you forgotten to include in your sweeping surmise that the
USA (a Christian Democracy) has been involved in 42 wars and conflicts
in the last 40 years. This is a record of violence unbeaten by any
country, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever takes your
fancy.

It may be that you do not wish to include the USA in your statistics
because you are not willing to bite the hand that feeds. I can only
congratulate you then on your caution.

Faisal Gazi
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eshomabesh/message/4650

and heres a gem from 1987

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FKUpGU_Jbp0/SOkfrli6UHI/AAAAAAAAAWw/94nt7ABvksk/s1600-h/Toube%27s+Return+pledge+2.jpg
”
Against the Israeli Law of Return – For the Palestinian Right to Return
On 2 November 1917, the British Government issued the Balfour Declaration. This represented the first major victory for the Zionist project of transforming Palestine from a part of the Ottoman empire into a Jewish state – a project which came to fruition on 15 May 1948, with the proclamation of ‘the establishment of the Jewish state in Palestine’.
As a result, the Palestinian people now live either under Israeli rule or in exile. Those in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 (many of them refugees from areas occupied in 1948) live under continuing harsh military rule; those in the territories occupied in 1948 are second-class residents in a Jewish state, denied the rights and privileges accorded to those residents recognised by the state as Jews.
On 9 December 1987, the Palestinian people living under Israeli military occupation rose up against their oppressors. On 15 November 1988, the Palestine National Council declared the establishment of the independent state of Palestine. Two years on, the Intifada continues. It is now manifestly clear to everyone that the Israeli military occupation must end, and that the PLO is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Any pretence to the contrary is an obvious lie.
Meanwhile, the Israeli repression of the Palestinian people and their Intifada continues. Over 800 Palestinians (150 of them children) have been killed by the Israeli security forces or by settlers in the past two years. Many thousands more have been maimed, imprisoned without trial, had their homes destroyed or been expelled from their homeland.
Israel has become an armed camp, at war both with its neighbours and with its subject Palestinian population. In its operations in Africa, Asia and Latin America, Israel represents a major link in the world network of repressive and racist regimes. Its nuclear weapons capacity, developed in alliance with South Africa, is a danger to the entire Middle East, and to the whole world.
In spite of this, Jewish communities have been recruited by Israel as both support and justification for its activities. The historic sufferings of Jews, particularly the Nazi murder of six million European Jews, are held to justify Israel’s existence and behaviour. Israel continues to present itself as acting in the name of the Jewish people in international affairs.
We, entitled to the privileges accorded under the Israeli Law of Return to Jews and their close relatives, declare our opposition to the state of Israel as a Jewish state and to the Zionist movement. We call on our fellow Jews and their close relatives to join us in making the following statement:
* the Palestinian people, at whose expense the state of Israel was established and continues to exist, have the right to return, to self-determination and to their independent state on Palestinian soil;
* the Palestine Liberation Organisation is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people;
* the state of Israel does not represent all Jewish people, neither legally, morally nor in any other way;
* the Zionist structure of the state of Israel is at the heart of the racism and oppression against the Palestinian people, and should be dismantled.”

http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2008/10/fancy-that-david-taube-signs-up-to.html

You miss the point entirely.

what, by pointing out that your parallel is entirely specious? nope, i’m showing that your point is just as specious. if you say:

Y is bad
X is bad because it is like Y
therefore X is bad

then if i am able to point out that X isn’t in fact like Y, then that does rather screw up your point, don’t it?

that’s quite some argufyin’ they teach you at hizbi camp, ain’t it though? do you save money by sharing premises with redneck creationist summer school?

b’shalom

bananabrain

Or what the colonialists did and said in the Middle Ages!

What hypocrites!

It doesn’t matter what date the books were published. They are still selling, propagating and promoting those books today. Books that explain Jihad as the Foreign policy of the ‘Khilafah’ state etc. I went to their conference a few weeks back and they were still saying such things. The books Nabhani wrote over 50 years ago are still being studied by the party (actually you have to study them to become a member of the party).

I would prefer you discussed the content of the article rather than looking for ‘red herrings’.

Sorry but the PR campaign isn’t fooling anyone.

“Israel was imposed on the people of Palestine. Israel wishes to expand its settlements taking more and more Palestinian land as time passes.”

Won’t your Islamist state do the same thing?

Nothing has been taken out of context in the article. You know as well as I do that HT believe in the extermination of ‘all’ Jews in Palestine!

All this talk about HT being a non-violent party is a rubbish!

Expected, as you are a self confessed “banana” brain.

Israel subjugates the Palestinian Christians and Muslims in a manner no different to how Nazi’s subjugated the innocent Jewish people in Hitler’s Germany.

except for the actual gassings, crematoria, concentration camps, mass graves, ideological framework, policy aim of extermination and so on.

also, of course, germany wasn’t surrounded by jewish nations which had attacked it several times, nor was it dealing with jewish insurgents with a stated aim of murdering all germans worldwide (see the hamas charter) nor were jews firing rockets into germany from czechoslovakia, nor were jews blowing themselves up in german marketplaces, nor had jews been hijacking german planes, embassies, sports teams and so on for half a century.

other than that, yes, israel is *exactly* the same as nazi germany.

you fecking idiot.

bananabrain

The leaflet is clearly referring to the jews of Israel who illegally occupy Muslim land to this day. Israel subjugates the Palestinian Christians and Muslims in a manner no different to how Nazi’s subjugated the innocent Jewish people in Hitler’s Germany.
Muslims and Christians in Palestine, as the leaflet states, have a right to “resist” and return to their occupied land.
Israel is an illegal entity, setup by the British and now supported by the west.

It is totally dependent on the west for security, resources and political action.

Time and time again, the western nations allow Israel to use completely disproportionate military means consisting of western manufactured bombs, jets and tanks to totally destroy Palestinian and Lebanese civilian infrastructure, in complete violation of the west’s own interpretation of international law and the geneva convention. The palestinians or lebanese are branded terrorists when they defend themselves from the army of this oppressive entity.

As for those who walk into Israeli markets and commit suicide, one must understand the socio/politico scenarios that lead them to do such an action. Israel brings such actions on itself. Israel makes it impossible for the majority of Palestinians to have any sense of progress in their lives. Israel subjugates them economically causing mass poverty. Israel destroys Palestinian centers of education and institutions which lead to mass unemployment. Some will continue their day to day struggle to feed their families. But others, whose innocent sisters, mothers, brothers or fathers were killed by Israeli fire, will out of pure rage and revenge choose a violent path. So the mindset of the person who walks into an Israeli market place to kill en masse is in most cases shaped by memories of the destruction brought by the Israeli military to their market places and innocent people. Who is to blame? The zionist illegal entity of Israel is to blame.

The reality is not complex as some shallow analysts would like to make it. It is very simple. Israel was imposed on the people of Palestine. Israel wishes to expand its settlements taking more and more Palestinian land as time passes. Israel oppresses the Palestinians by not allowing them to have any sense of independence.

Once the Muslim Ummah is united under a Caliphate, Inshallah, it will indeed fight the oppressive torturous army of israel, defeat it and give back the Christian, Muslim and Jewish Palestinians their rightful ownership. Indeed it takes an army to fight and rout an oppressive mischief making army an the army of Allah (SWT) will defeat the army of Shaitaan Inshallah.

Are the BNP still very active in Burnley?

b’shalom

bananabrain

Thank you.

Good luck with that lads!

It’s amazing how the ‘spittoon haters’ keep coming back here : )

Why would anyone want to read the rubbish posted on the IM blog anyway?

Let them come here.

Spittoon is where it’s all happening!