brilliantly put, but i fear all of your efforts will be wasted. lets see what sort of response this will provoke from Mr. Jafar of the Muslim Safety Forum. Jafar, the floor is open sir.

Seriously, though come on, is that the best you can do?

When are we getting the next entry on Muhammad Idrees Ahmad? I’m interested to know what more is to come. Apparently he thinks that Mother Teresa, Jimmy Carter and Neil Armstrong were also neo-cons.

I’m sure that Idrees is looking forward to seeing the entry as well. It will also give him something to do in that he will have to update his entry on Spittoon again.

If a woman is prepared to acquire the knowledge meant for the man’s field of activity this will not only be disastrous for that woman but also for the rest of humanity and there is no room in Islam for this.

This of course contradicts the tradition of the Prophet that seeking knowledge is a compulsory duty for Muslims irrespective if they are men or women.

Maududi also quite prominently quotes selected versus from the Koran to try and demonstrate the superiority of Muslims to non Muslims and to argue that Muslims and non Muslim communities should be separated. He accepts that non Muslims should be humiliated by the payment of a jizyah.

Any group that use the work of Maududi as a basis of their ideology means that they are encouraging the idea of a conflict between Islam and the West. This cannot possibly be good for peaceful relations between Islamic states and Western countries. Moreover followers of this type of ideology in Western countries such as the UK encourage a hostility between British Muslims and the rest of British society. I see this is a substantially problematic, the sad thing is that followers of Maududi do not.

It isn’t normal Muslims who are hung up on “irrelevent dead people like maududi et al” it is the Jamaat-e-Islami who base their ideology on Maududi. And since the IFE is a UK front for the Jamaat, and as a member of the Muslim Security Forum, you partner with the IFE are representatives of Muslims in London!

It is Islamists like you and your IFE fellow travellers who are the ideological progeny of maududi. So who do you think you’re fooling?

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But what about you Faisal – what makes you support Israeli genocide? I can’t fathom why anyone would support the systematic violation of another race for a purely racial purpose, they belong in the dustbin of history.

the trouble is that your view of the conflict is so astoundingly tendentious that it makes it virtually impossible to talk any sense about it. genocide, indeed. only someone who had never been to israel and didn’t know the people that live there and the people related to the people that live there could hold views so at variance with the reality. you don’t understand the first thing about israel, the IDF, or zionism, let alone jews. if all your acquaintance is through the left-wing and islamist media alone then i am sure you will think that israel is solely populated by messianic settler rabbis and their military bullyboys, but as convenient as this fiction may be for you it does not reflect the truth, let alone the complexity of the situation. lest it be thought that i am apologising for the aforementioned religious loonies and thugs, let me make it abundantly clear that i am not. nor do i subscribe to the view from the portion of the other side that refuses to recognise palestinian legitimacy, grievance, pain and suffering, let alone aspirations for peace. people like you are no friend to the palestinians. you are doing nothing to help them in any real sense. no palestinian will suffer less, eat better, sleep better or live better or more honourably and happily as a result of your actions. all you are doing is using them as a flag to wave to excuse your own ignorance and prejudice. you would do far better to rethink your position on this issue and come back when you have matured beyond this pathetic partisanship.

b’shalom

bananabrain

Of course Andy is wrong – but not because he is Islamophobic, many people are clouded in their views because of a sense of political loyalty. I object to many on the lefts seemingly blind deference to human rights abuses by nominally socialist countries, it was the same with Bosnia. People are entitled to their views and if they are reasoned and not compelled by discriminatory prejudice then they’re entitled to their views although I may not agree with them – so?

But what about you Faisal – what makes you support Israeli genocide? I can’t fathom why anyone would support the systematic violation of another race for a purely racial purpose, they belong in the dustbin of history. And what about Islamophobia Faisal – tell us what you think about it’s mainstream legitimization in the guise of the “anti-Islamist” narrative?

And erm, no Effendi, identifying the insecurities that are prevalent in people in MY community who support torture (and who incidently are attracted to the atavistic ideals regurgitated by Spitoon) is not racist. But notions held by Spitoon, the rights of all adherents to a particular religion accross the board should violated, are discriminatory to the highest degree.

RESPECT Party’s Abdurahman Jafar makes this disparaging remark about Muslim immigrants to the UK:

“you are just one of those sad first generation fuckwits who still can’t get their bearings coming off the banana boat and can’t shake off that accent”

Is this the same Abdurahman Jafar who claims to stand up for the “justice of Muslims”?

Jafar likes to think himself as representative of British Muslims, particularly those in London’s East End but does he have the guts to insult a first-generation Bengali immigrant by saying this to their face? I doubt it.

No wonder RESPECT is a disgraced political party if this statement is representative of the sentiments of one of its high-profile Southasian Muslim members. This is pure and simple bigotry and just because AR Jafar is Southasian does not diminisn the racist nature of this statement. It just underlines his own self-loathing.

Faisal – I can’t believe you write for the Guardian – what made you conclude I “think China’s state repression of the Uighur peoples is *not* an example of Islamophobia”? Of course it is. China uses the same sweeping neo-con inspired arguments promoted by you lot on Spitoon – it says it is against “Islamist terrorists”! Every oppression of Muslims, including in Somalia, Philipines, Thailand, Russia etc uses the same argument to crush legitimate claims to equal rights – they have the right to crush Muslim people because they are “Islamists”.

You’re being disingenuous Jafar and I believe you know it. Since it is you and your fellows at RESPECT, the MCB and IFE who have formed an alliance with ideologues of the far-left. And they have repeatedly dismissed or downplayed the extent of repression of Muslims in Darfur, Xinjiang and Iran. And you know who I mean.

You know Andy Newman, don’t you? He’s one your mates from KAFA. What are your thoughts about his statement that the repression of Uighurs is “necessary for developing and improving the living standards of their 1.3 billion population”? As you know, he put the blame on the Muslim Uighurs as a symptom of their “fictitious pseudo-history”? Have you given this any thought at all or chosen to ignore it? Consider what your reaction would be if a “neoconservative” had said the same thing about Palestinian or Iraqi Muslims. I think you would be making appropriately angry noises and getting ready to denounce the author of the statement, wouldn’t you? So why the lethargy when it comes to Andy Newman?

You’re an intelligent man Jafar. How do you square this inconistency in your “Islamophobia” thesis? Is it because your political associates are never guilty of Islamophobia even when they clearly are or because your judgement is seriously impaired by your political ambitions or is it because you don’t regard Muslims from Xinjiang as Muslims?

Bro, come on. The Chinese state is a repressive state that has nothing to do with neocon Jews and the like! The propaganda that it uses is what suits them. Just like the Iranians use their own to repress the Muslims in their state. Except that Ahmedinajad and the Iranian state machinery are justified through religion, though we know Islam does not justify political repression, though this must be some Iranian Jew controling the state imposing a neocon style repression against Muslims? Or is it a neocon Iranian fringe and clerical faction that is causing the trouble? Those pesky neocon mullahs!

No, by far the worse neocons are the Islamist Sudanese government; those bloody Jews in Sudan, killing people in Darfur.

J, you are named after one of the great scholars, and great grandsons (in line) of the prophet, a descendent of Sunni and Shia patriarchs from Abu Bakr and imam Ali, a persecuted but noble lineage, teachers of Sunni scholarship of the likes of Imam Abu Hanifa, yet you appear to be a shame to the great mans name, named after the cousin of the prophet who fought alongside a just Christian King to secure religious freedom and maintain the King in power – how contradictory to the mad Islamist, sectarian, ranting excuse for the Islamist tyrants you are is quite a shame.

Please give us your understanding, an exhaustive and exclusive understanding of neoconservative ideology, and how you identify them and what your problem is with it. Just being against Islamism, is not a good enough criterion as that included 90% of Muslims and most of their scholars.

Just to clarify, I am not in favour of the neocon method of treating it through waterboarding them in hot climates sun as Cuba! Whether our intelligence people approved or not is not the criterion, it is scientific effectivity, which judging from Begg’a recent support for killing Jewish women and children through advocacy of such joophobic speakers as Awlaki proves it is not effective.

Though the condition may well be treatable, if at first we can acknowledge it.