Due to site maintenance we couldn’t run the Caption Competition for a few weeks but alhamdulillah it’s back now.
This week we’re featuring the lovely Abdurahman Jafar who is friends with Bungles and involved with the Muslim Safety Forum. Incidentally can anyone help Jafar in his search for someone to keep him company “on this beautiful journey called life”. It’s such a beautiful thing, isn’t it?
As ever, captions in the comments section below.
UPDATE:
It seems that brother Abdurahman Jafar has pulled down his matrimonial page. I can only assume that one of our many female readers simply couldn’t resist and made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. But, just in case he pulled it for some other reason – as I suspcted he might – I took a picture for posterity (click to enlarge).
Abdurahman Jafar, on a beautiful journey called life...
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Haha – he is Swiss Tony from the Fast Show!
His muslimwedding.org profile has been pulled but this is what it previously said:
yeah baby…my Maserati’s parked outside…
Disgusting. Is this the “Western Islam” that the Muslim Safety Forum is seeking to promote???
Auzu bil Allah min al shaitan al rajeem.
Well hello, sister. Care to step into my stretch limo? How about a drop of Salafi grape juice to get you in the mood, hmmmm?
Come on Baby jump into my Muslim Safety Forum and lets for a ride, yeah baby just you and me.
I hope he is not as skilled with cigars as Bill Clinton was, the sister will be in for a real surprise.
And these “Khawaarij al-Qa’daiyya” (defined by the Ulema as the sitting renegades as opposed to the “fighting ones”) they dare attack our sunni brothers of Quilliam for wearing suits and driving modest 1.6 litre engine hatchbacks?????? How DARE they? Their nifaaq is as palpable as their Khurooj. I wonder if we should now say this man was entering a casino, or a club, with a bottle of bubbly, as clearly that is what someone in such attire and vehicles usually does.
Ahh… and is that a wine glass I see in his hand???
Abdurahman Jafar is the fifth Beatle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r490KKGN8mw
Baby you can drive my car
Yes I’m gonna be a star
Baby you can drive my car
And maybe I’ll love you
I told that girl that my prospects were good
And she said baby, it’s understood
Working for peanuts is all very fine
But I can show you a better time
Whose gonna drive home, tonight.
That’s not fair Shikwa, surely he should be allowed to attract a spouse via the internet without being mocked.
I am merely helping the brother. And if you have further objections, email me.
I wonder if someone will now set up 10 blogs attacking his character and splashing this picture around, thats what they do to others : )
He’s a decent looking guy, shouldn’t struggle too much, but his bungles connections may put people off.
Maybe we could set up a “Jafar Exposed” website and another called Traditional Ikhwanism.
Why is his tongue black? What has he been licking?
Its not, that’s a Cigar Mr Fist.
Is it me or is he trying to model himself on George Micheal in the ‘Older’ album phase.
Oh my Allah!!!! A Cigar??? Golly gosh and all the SubhanaAllahs people may muster together! He SMOKES a cigar??? And these Khawaarji al-Qa’diyya hypocrites laughed at Quilliam Foundation for the same thing?
Hi guys, my mate bungles directed me to this obscure corner (for some reason he thinks you guys are spiritually connected to the neo-cons at Harry’s Place, who would think). Yes it was a cigar, wine glass (albeit empty) and a matrimonial – and? I can’t see how you guys get off on this stuff? Anyway it was funny reading your comments and am genuinely flattered that you thought me so worthy to lavish sooo much attention. Look forward to the next one, and if you need something more scandalous just ask me
Thanks Jafar and I salute your bravery for making an appearance. Can I now ask – are your modelling yourself on George Micheal from the ‘older’ album days?
P.S. Good luck with the search for a wife (I mean that).
Hey thanks Abu. Wife hunting is fun but the amount of self obsessed “sex in the city” types out there is of huge concern.
Ur not the first to make that comparison, I can safetly say I have never woken with George Michael on my mind and could not name any of his albums (I seem only to take a liking to him when he came out with the anti-war stuff).
And Dawuud thanks for preserving what I wrote, it reads much more dignified here. It’s not what I wrote that was embarrasing, lol, it was the website – absolute shite.
His tongue is black from licking too much Galloway butt!
His Music is not bad too, the ‘older’ album was great. Yeah wife hunting must be fun, have you tried Muslim speed dating. I would like to but my wife would kill me if she found out.
Hi Jafar, it’s nice to know your mate bungles is monitoring this blog. When is he going to come on : )
You guys take the p*** out of Quilliam pictures and then you pose in a worse fashion yourself! you rant and rave about certain groups getting govt money, yet you seem to be the ones with the bling bling!
Limos, cigars, wine ….your living it large mate!
Why the hypocrisy/double standards?
P.S ; I hope you were only using the wine glass to catch rain : )
I did go to a speed dating event actually – HILLARIOUS. May be it was just the day I went, but for the entertainment value you can’t beat it.
Given time and attention most music becomes appealing, i suppose it is what you want to prefer to get into really.
BTW Shikwa et al, the reason why what I do in my life does not have the capacity to shock is because I stay well clear of theology, don’t pretend to be a saint, representative or authority on Islam etc etc. Couldn’t give a monkeys what others do, believe or say (unlike the posters here it seems), my only concern is when injustice or harm comes upon people, and that is all that underpins my activism.
Jafar – you seem like quite a reasonable bloke, what are doing hanging around with the whole East London Islamist scene. Are they not the ones who are harming others and advocating injustices and working for a state which you and I would not want to live in.
On a lighter note – I bet it must have been a laugh. Was is full of Pakistani students looking to stay on by getting married in the UK? There is a Muslim Singles event in Birmingham next weekend (Saturday). £25 which includes a 5 course meal and ‘one to one’ sessions, whatever they are. Check it out.
From all the meeting’s I’ve been to in the past decade I have never heard anything about seeking an alternative state. Am sure there are some, HT etc, and you need a pretty low IQ to get into that stuff, but you got to ask Ed or Majid about that. As far as I am aware MCB types are just concerned about equality and justice, and any one interested in equality and justice today, from whatever background, would find the issue of Islamophobia and Palestine the most compelling causes – that’s why Quilliam are reviled by most and loved by the likes of Harry’s Place. Quilliam is obviously a short term project, until cash runs out, so make ur money while you can – honest advice. But those with proper careers, if you really want to involve yourself in something worthwhile and important to our society and world I suggest you look at the “friends” around you and think very very hard.
No freshies, but plenty of oddities with weird social skills. Birmingham? Too far … Abu are seeking to use me as an extension of what you really want to do but wifey will pummel you if you do? You know an awful lot of detail about these events.
Abdurahman Jafar,
I also commend you for coming on – can I just ask you one thing. At the Kafa launch you defended Azad Ali and cited his exposure in the media as a good eg of Islamophobia in the British Press. No doubt this does exist in the press, but you chose the worst possible example when you defended Azad Ali. He support and promotes some of the worst islamist jihadists around, both past and present. He recommends Sheikh Anwar al Awlaki as ‘one of my favourite scholars’ – are you aware that Awlaki is an open supporter of al-Qaeda and recentley came out in support of al-Shabaab. He is a sheikh who tells all Muslims it is their duty to fight jihad.
There are Muslims out there worth defending, Azad Ali certainly is not one of them – surely you agree?
‘As far as I am aware MCB types are just concerned about equality and justice’
Come one Jafar! Either you are being dishonest or you have been well and truly duped. There may well be some good ppl in the MCB, but you wont find them at the top – that is reserved for sectarian Islamists who, in some cases, are firm supporters of jihad in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel and who are happy to make excuses for suicide bombers.
Where is the evidence? I hear you ask, how about this:
- one of the men at the Kafa launch whom you shared a platform with was Daud Abdullah. He is the Sec Gen of the MCB and he also signed a statement in full support of Hamas and against any peace with Israel – i recommend you read it in full here – http://www.hurryupharry.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/istpdf.pdf
- this year the MCB deemed it necessary to boycott holocaust memorial day in protest of Israel’s actions in Gaza. This was on the flawed basis that HMD was only a memorial day for the jewish holocaust and should be more inclusive (in fact HMD also covers Rwanda, Bosnia and a number of others). So why, unless the MCB is headed by hateful antisemites, would the MCB boycott a memorial for the murder of 6 million Jews (NOT zionists, JEWS) if it was supposedly protesting the acts of Israeli Zionists?
There are many more examples of what a vile group the MCB is – if you want them just ask and we would be happy to oblige. Please Jafar, just look into the core beliefs of some of the people you have allied yourself – you will be suprised at what you find. You can do some good work if you are with the right people.
Come on Jafar, no need for those snide comments. Let’s be clear about one thing: this site has nothing to do with Quilliam.
Still, fair play for coming on here and for taking the caption competition in the light hearted manner in which its intended.
You are a far more worthy adversary than Bungles. Touche.
Also, Jafar, I’ve been thinking. If you’re willing to openly debate the MCB’s position on Spittoon, I’m happy to discuss the terms of a proper dialogue which Spittoon will host. Maybe I post my criticism, then you reply or vice-versa.
I think we’d be keen on that, so drop me an email and let’s take it forward.
Let me also clarify, I’m not Quilliam and no one here is. We gave Lucy (from Quilliam) a guest post and now we’re offering you the same. Some of us write under pseudonyms only because we have ‘real careers’ as you put it.
So, you up for it?
That is such a shame Jafar. The link between the East London Islamist scene, i.e. MCB, IFE, ISB, MSF etc, and clerical fascist groups like JI and Ikhwan are well known and not even denie by the people involved. I am a trusting soul generally but I don’t believe you have never heard talk of setting up an Islamist state in those circles. It is just HT that talk about that. The differences between MCB and HT are really not that great and kudos to Ed Husain for exposing those dodgy links.
Such organisations are doing huge damage to Muslims in the UK and filling young Muslims minds with hate and bigotry. It’s a real shame you refuse to acknowledge the obvious.
I am genuinely interested in helping brothers and sisters who are looking to marry, no ulterior motives at all honest, one wife is more then enough.
Also may I ask what provoked that random attack on Quilliam? There is a difference between a website called Spittoon and a think tank called Quilliam.
i think i may have scared him off, sorry
I can’t take you anywhere Satan, can I?
A word of friendly advice: loose the stretch limo. Intelligent women know that the bigger the car, the more the need for compensation in other fields.
Abdurahman:
What have you got?
Hello,
Great Satan Azad Ali is a good friend of mine and I can assure you he harbours no affinity for Al-Qaeda, and if you knew him the very idea is absurd. His work for OUR community is noteworthy, on stop and searchs etc, if any of you showed the same committment to justice as he I would see you in no different a light. I don’t know and don’t care about Awlaki’s politics, he is not in Britain and not relevant here. Would David Taube’s (first post here) admiration for Israeli leaders who’ve murdered Palestinian elicit a similar response from you, I’d guess not. You do seem very concerned about Israel Great Satan and you links to Harrys Place are obvious. Hamas are a national liberation movement against one of modern histories most vile racist entities and I don’t support for them is condemable at all.
Shikwa I have no interest in debating MCB with you, I don’t think it would result in a tangible benefit. You are free to contact the MCB office who would probably consider your request.
As for the reference to Quilliam – it wasn’t me who raised it, Mr Fist, Shikwa and Raziq did. Those references were concerned why pics of Quilliam enjoying themselves were objectionable and mine were not, I answered that. Having said that the very odd views on this site from a very brief perusal – pro-zionist and anti-Ikhwan fall squarely with Quilliam, which falls squarely with Harry’s Place which falls squarely with Benjamin Netanyahu et al.
I don’t think MCB fill people with hate and bigotry, I think the policies of Israel do and our Governments blind support for her do. I think MCB actually help contain and channel such anger into positive engagement – which is why zionists like Daniel Pipes and David Taube despise them so much.
Abu I’d be more then willing to take up the offer thanks. And thanks for the advice Israelinurse, I hate to burst the bubble, as much as I wish I was being chauffered around to visit expensive night clubs alas, the vehicle was at a wedding, i just took the opportunity to take a piture with it; and the wine glass was empty and in the vehicle bar BUT the cigar was mine!
Sorry what offer was that?
The views on here are similar to quilliam so you thought you’d have a pop at them for fun. That is like me saying the views of Daud Abdullah are similar to Bin Laden, so next time I talk to the MCB i’ll have a pop at Bin Laden. You can’t complain about something and then fall into the same trap.
MCB et al are well known followers/supporters/admirers of people like Mawdudi and the godfather of jihadism Syed Qutb. They sell their books, promote their literature and their ideas. That makes them Islamists. Now if they support a good cause like Palestine for example, that doesn’t change the fact that they are still clerical fascists who wish to impose a totalitarian state on the entire world. Just as if Nick Griffin suddenly started campaigning for Kashmir, I wouldn’t say he is standing up for justice but rather persuing political aims by attaching himself to genuine causes.
One does need to look at what an organisation stands in itself rather than just focusing on one or two of its campaigns. Personally, I think Islamists are damaging good causes like Palestine, because when they attach themselves to such causes it becomes easy for others to dismiss the activism by highlighting their dodgy views.
It never ceases to amaze me that intelligent people can read the Hamas charter and still think that it’s a ‘liberation’ group and that it’s the Israelis who are racist. Personally, I find people who try to blow me up purely on the basis of my ethnicity very racist.
Lol, take a chill pill Abu, why do you get so angry when someone criticises Quilliam but no response to the mutlitude of pro-Quilliam messages here – why not tell them this is not a Quilliam site? The answers is actually in that discrepency, I didn’t think you guys were Quilliam, just supporters, but the obsessive support for them leads me to believe you are.
Israelinurse I think anyone who supports a Govt that committs the attrocities we see daily in Palestine should expect to be subject to reprisal attacks – it’s not your ethnicity it’s your actions that attact it, the fact that your leaders carry out their attrocities in the name of your ethnicity should be objectionable to you, unless of course you agree with racial genocide against the Palestinians of course.
Anyway, this is all becoming boringly irrelevant, bigotted and partisan so I am out of here.
I’m not getting upset dear friend, just trying to understand the random attack which still doesn’t make sense. Quilliam was merely mentioned in passing in the other posts so what is there to respond to? Unless I missed something in which case please highlight.
I have noticed you completely ignored my other much more substantive points, Oh well never mind.
BTW old school is on BBC1 great film
Jafar; I have lived in the Middle East for over 30 years. I know exactly what goes on there. Racial genocide is NOT happening and never has happened in Israel. In case you hadn’t noticed, the Palestinian population is growing, as is its life expectancy. Infant mortality is falling. The Palestinians are amongst the most prosperous Muslims in the region.
You seem like an intelligent chap -what a pity that you choose to believe the silly, empty slogans fed to people in the West by those with a very vested interest. I would have thought that a barrister would be capable of analytical thought.
If you think it is justified that Israeli women, children and babies are blown to pieces by suicide bombers because of their government’s perceived policies, then you are seriously lacking in humanity.
You probably don’t know this because it’s not the sort of thing which gets much publicity in the West, but for the most part Israelis and Palestinians get along really well. It’s a real pity that people like yourself are trying to spoil that. It’s also a pity that there is a minority element called Hamas which is attempting both to rid the region of Jews and impose extreme Islamism upon its own population. How sad that you would apparantly deny the people of Gaza the freedoms which you yourself have in Britain.
The Palestinians are amongst the most prosperous Muslims in the region.
You must be joking right! Are you serious?
Jafar,
you have pretty much failed to answer my questions, but we can take the following from your response:
1. You don t mind that your friend Azad promotes pro Al Qaeda hate preachers as respectable Muslim voices. That is grossly irresponsible
2. You work alongside the police and yet you support a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK and EU (hamas). Brill!
3. You have a very poor understanding of Islamism and politics as displayed by your strange dot connecting – “pro-zionist and anti-Ikhwan fall squarely with Quilliam, which falls squarely with Harry’s Place which falls squarely with Benjamin Netanyahu et al.” right…ok, i would have expected something this simplistic from a GCSE student, but not a grown up who is involved with this area
Whether you like it or not, Hamas is a proscribed terrorist entity in this country and in the EU, the same EU that refuses to add Hezbollah to that list – so you cant claim any Jewish bias there!
The Palestinian cause has been devastated by Hamas, whose supremacist ideology has made any real peace impossible so far. Here’s a newsflash for you: Hamas regularly kill many Palestinians, their political opponents are regularly tortured and chucked from rooftops, but hey as long as ‘them jews’ aint doing the killing, who cares right?
Israel are by no means beyond reproach, and the messianic rabbis are a cause of great difficulty, but they are certainly not “one of modern histories most vile racist entities”, again you display a worrying lack of political and historical understanding for someone in your position.
dont be suprised if your support for a terrorist entity comes back to bite you – you just couldnt resist, huh?
Abu, Israelinurses absurd and surreal rantings give an insight into why the anti-”Islamism” of Quilliam et al is lavished with so much attention and funding. Everything you repeat about “islamism” (whatever that is) originates from the likes of Pipes etc whose sole objective is the perpetration of a racist apartheid state in the Middle East.
Yawn, I cannot believe anyone with a proper career, whose income was not derived from some PVE project or other, would be so removed from reality to carry the monotonous, warped and frankly disgusting views expressed on this site.
‘ “islamism” (whatever that is) ‘
dear oh dear. do the police actually pay you for advice? if so, well done on managing to pull the wool over their eyes so successfully!
Jafar, ok, leave the MCB aside – let’s have a discussion; you and me – about YOUR views. I think this would be most profitable. I don’t want a slanging match, hence I’m not trying to raise a serious debate with you in the comments section here. But, I think a proper debate, where you can guest post your views etc would be most profitable. I only said the MCB because I thought you were affiliated with them. Nonetheless, your views are important too – you are engaged with things in our community (a community of which, as a Muslim, I am a part too). I think we should look at issues like foreign policy, Israel, the Muslim community in Britain etc.
Would you welcome the opportunity to debate those things here? Consider this – we write about those issues all the time here and you criticise them (just see you post above which goes on about anti-Ikhwan, pro-Israel, pro-Quilliam etc etc) so, really, by offering you the chance for a clean and fresh and proper debate where you get to post your views properly and under scrutiny from us (and of course vice-versa) actually just levels out the playing field.
I can’t imagine you’d want to turn this down. I, for one, am very keen to do it. You always talk about the need to ‘engage’, the need for dialogue. You say we only talk to our friends who tell us what we want to hear so lets have this debate that we keep saying Muslims need to have. The opportunity has arisen. I am already drawing up a list of things I would like to put to you in the first of our debates.
I look forward to hearing whether you will take up this offer?
I cannot believe anyone with a proper career, whose income was not derived from some PVE project or other
You really seem to have some kind of hang up about this don’t you? You’re implying that we’re all lecherous prostitutes for Government funds. Let’s be clear Jafar, no one who writes for Spittoon takes PVE money.
Incidentally, didn’t the Muslim Safety Forum (of which you were temporary head) receive £30,000 from the Metropolitan Police? And didn’t your buddy Anas al-Tikriti receive £30,000 from Tower Hamlets through PVE. Those saddos really need to get a ‘proper career’ eh?
dont forget his buddy Anas had most of that 30 grand he was so desperate for taken away because of his support for Hizb ut Tahrir
lol
Sickwa, it’s sooooo obvious you were HT – which means u are now Quilliam, that insistance on inane theoretical nonproductive debate is only their hall mark. Hows the wife btw, lol, i don’t blame her. Get off your ass and do something good that helps people instead.
Great Stalin, your disguise has worn very thin as well, that type of obsessive hate, virulently racist, distortion and decontextualisation, there can only be one.
What appeared to have the prospect of open mindedness really has digressed into the hate filled bigotry typical of HP, you guys really need to try harder to hide it. So this really is goodbye.
Hahaha, Jafar, you are an even bigger prick than you look in that picture!
again, you fail to provide a grown up response – where on earth do i display “obsessive hate, virulently racist, distortion and decontextualisation”?! point to an example. something tells me you will fail in this endevour as well because you have been well and truly beaten…
oh and that comment to shikwa about his wife – dont know wat that was about, but sounds like you are resorting to personal insults – the hallmark of a proper grown up intellectual debate, how refreshing, and from a barrister no less!
funny how effective pictures work as bait, hey Jaf? you took that in your mouth faster than a trout, and all we had to do was slowly reel you in. come back soon!
One more thing Jaffar, I’m not who you think I am. That very snide comment about someone else’s wife was really below the belt. We both know who you were referring to and, for the record, he is a good friend of mine. You should have some shame, after all, you’re divorced too. I could hit back in an equally nasty manner but have chosen not to stoop to the level of your pathetic playground tactics.
And to think, with the arrogance you have displayed, you like to think of yourself as a ‘leader’ of the Muslim community. And for what Jaffar? Because you’re a barrister at a distinctly mediocre chambers which cannot even boast one silk? Not one? Hahaha. Pathetic.
I’m afraid your brief appearance here reveals you’re nothing more than the unprincipled charlatan you accuse others of being. Just like Bungles, just like Azad Ali, the rug has been pulled out from under your feet. You ran from the chance to debate here because you are coward and afraid to put your point across to a hostile crowd. You’ve lost your friends in government. The MCB has been disgraced. The MSF has been disgraced. Everything you built up has crumbled around you. You should look in the mirror when you wake up alone tomorrow and have a serious think about your life, values and politics.
I’ve been truly shocked by your petulance tonight. You’re obviously much smarter than Bungles and Azad Ali so I thought you were a decent man we could have done business with through dialogue. Evidently not.
Abu Wanabe -I’m perfectly serious. Israel is the only country in the immediate region (Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt) which the IMF and World Bank classify as ‘high income’. My Palestinian friends are doctors, nurses, businessmen, contractors, engineers and suchlike, all of whom live very well. As for the West Bank region, well they sort of scuppered their own economic growth during the intefada years of course, but the IMF is predicting a 7% growth for 2009 -I wish we could say the same for the UK!
Jafar – I take back my comments about you being a decent person now. My views on Islamism are informed by experiences with Islamist groups like JI and Ikhwan which you support. Not from Pipes who I never read. But your desire to not address the real points is indicative of a mindset which blindly follows the ways of clerical fascists whilst pretending to care for the needy.
You are just as bad as Bungles, Azad and the other Islamist crazies nutcases, I do hope you inform any future wife of your political affiliations beforehand.
As PVE money – let’s be honest your just bitter that your bum chums at IFE didn’t get much, aren’t you? In any case Bungles wife got plenty (PVE money that is) and so did ISB, so are they sad stooges as well.
Finally, why do you arrange debates without inviting one party?
Speaking of which, why *did* you resign from the Redbridge Countering Extremism and Islamophobia group Jafar?
You told the press at the time “I decided to step down in the interests of the organisation.”
The “organisation” being the RESPECT party of course. Was it something to do with being accused of a “devious stunt” by Labour Ilford South MP Mike Gapes?
What was *that* about?
I agree with you Abu Wannabe. I was really pleased when Jaffar came on here and he was very reasonalbe to start with. He took the caption competition in the light-hearted manner in which it was intended, and I honestly thought his appearance here was going to be positive. But then Allah promises to expose the munafiqeen and here’s yet another example. This guy sniffed with utter arrogance spewing rubbish talking about PVE money and his own ‘real’ career (at one of the worst chambers in London). And now we’ve shown that the following groups all take PVE money – the first one Jaffar is involved with himself. The others are run by his friends.
1. Muslim Safety Forum – Jaffar was temporary head when Azad Ali was exposed for supporting terrorist groups.
2. Cordoba Foundation
3. Bungles’ wifey who describes herself as a PVE ‘consultant’.
When this was pointed out Jaffar had to throw his toys out of the pram and couldn’t take it (whatever happened to standing for ‘justice’?!) and had to go for a hit way below the belt about something very personal regarding one of our friends. Again, he’s too blind to see his own hypocrisy – ie, that Jaffar is himself a divorcee too! What a stupid low-blow Jaffar. I can only assume that you were so blind with rage that you didn’t even stop to think about the stupidity of your own statements. I hope this doesn’t happen to you when you’re losing in court?
Not only has Jaffar been shown up a hypocrite, but an arrogant fool too. Even now his pride prevents him from apologising for that absurd outburst, which in his more sober moments he must know was wrong. Swallow your pride Jaffar, its a terrible thing, and just apologise. I won’t hold my breath, given that you hang around with Bungles, Azad Ali, Daud Abdullah, George Galloway and that disillusioned old public-school Stalinist Seamus Milne.
And you like to think of yourself as a leader of the Ummah, Jaffar? Shame on you!
I have followed spittoon for a while now. Whenever anybody serious challenges you guys, like a pack of wolves you attack them. You did this to Brother Abdul Rahman by posting a vile article about him featuring an Indian song and now you are doing something similar to brother Jafar. How can any serious minded individual take up your offer for a debate when all you do is bark like insane dogs not even reading with respect ones opposing views.
You talk about God exposing the hypocrites. But you have exposed yourselves as hypocrites.
Infact a few serious people started out reading this blog and even contributed comments, but they themselves voiced their concern about the immaturity of those who run this site. This article plus the posted comments further justifies such concerns.
Good Bye, me and my colleagues will not be viewing the spittoon anymore.
Ok, goodbye then. Cheerio!
By the way, before you do go – we conceded it was a mistake to have attacked AR with that video and consequently removed it. I apologised to him for any offence caused. Unlike those you defend, we’re not too proud to admit we sometimes makes mistakes and then rectify them. Will your ‘serious colleagues’ do the same?
As for treating alternative views with respect, I offered Jaffar a guest post in which to put his point of view across. We express a point of view and let you guys comment. In Jaffar’s case rather than reduce him to just responding to our points, I offered him the chance to make his own case. I’d have thought a barrister with a ‘proper career’ would jump at the chance. I would love to know Shahid, how much more respect do you want me to show Jaffar? What more could I have done?
Finally, everyone (more or less) started out very nice with Jafar. Of course we can’t be held responsible for what others posts in the comments section. But things were civil and then Jafar threw his toys out of the pram and started insulting other people’s careers and later taking pot shots at their wives. Do you think that’s acceptable?
Is that what offended you and hurt your sensibilities so much that now you and your ‘serious colleagues’ won’t be reading The Spittoon any more? I don’t suppose I’ll get a reply though because obviously you’re not reading this.
Shahid – I think I know the ‘serious’ people you are refering to. They themselves came onto this blog with slanderous accusation and vile insults. So get the fuck off your high horse and stop being a hypocritical prick.
Shikwa – it’s obvious you are Majid Nawaz!
Games up!
Hahaha. Yet another thing that Bungles gets WRONG.
Try again.
Come on Shikwa its obvious now, you can’t deny it any longer. Bungles says so.
Bungles – your Mr Bean, come on the games up.
BTW Bungles – have you stabbed anyone recently?
careful Abu!
He might sue and then post up a picture of himself on Iengage with an article entitled ‘Bungles and Carter Ruck shamelessly help themselves to yet more outrageous libel payouts’….
Jafar,
Why did you send me a friend request on facebook?
After revealing your politics, insulting a respectable man’s relationship with his wife (how dare you – have you no shame?), and insulting all of us who write on the Spittoon for supposedly not having proper jobs and receiving PVE money (when all your friends are proud to receive it), do you honestly think that I would accept your friend request? Do you also expect me to believe that you genuinely want to be my facebook buddy? Get this straight, I have NO interest in associating with someone as hypocritical and disrespectful as you.
He was probably fishing for dodgy pics Houriya.
I believe Abdurahman Jafar was the man who made some lunatic, borderline racist (or at least virulently ignorant and bigoted comments) about orthodox Sikhs and why they keep long hair wrapped underneath a turban. He said something along the lines of how Sikhs made a vow to God not to cut their hair until every Muslim in the world has been killed. And this fella positions himself as some kind of liaison officer with the police force and an all round good ‘social cohesion’ egg, what a joke of a man, what an insult to the whole idea of tolerance.
Dear Houriya Ahmed,
I added you on facebook because I was curious as to the type of people who write here after being genuinely shocked by the views on this site. I gave you the benefit of doubt in assuming you may be a normal individual who was somehow persuaded to adopt a neo-conservative/facist world-view that seems to dominate Spitoon. But your response suggests otherwise.
I stated that I could not understand how “those with proper careers”, i.e. who are not paid propagandists, could carry neo-conservative Islamophobic views. Your response suggests you are paid to promote such views and not only you but “all of us who write on the Spittoon”.
Houriya Ahmed you are employed by Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray is a man who believes that the West should be “absolutists” towards Muslims, he believes Muslims should not be afforded the rights that other religious communities are afforded, Muslims should not be allowed religious holidays, places to pray at work and even that they should not be allowed to build mosques. Douglas Murray believes that the progressive left, which fought for a won the rights that make us a liberal democracy, must be crushed. Douglas Murray seeks to promote the idea of a 30 year war and pre-emptive nuclear strikes against Muslim countries such as Iraq and naturally states he is instinctively supportive of Israel. And of course Douglas Murray promotes probably the most purest form of facism in the modern world with the idea that he is only against “Islamism” and “clerical facism” (sounds familiar at Spitoon?).
Tell us normal people Houriya Ahmed what you think of Douglas Murray’s downright disgusting views. Explain to us the absurd irony that you and Douglas Murray promote the idea that Muslims should be discriminated against in an organisation named “Centre for Social Cohesion”.
I was greeted by contributors here, including those from your editorial team, with typical HT arrogance and sense of superiority. I have noted that many on this site have also the adopted proclivity to insult and as rightly identified by Shahid Malik the behaviour of hounding like dogs those whose views you do not like, a behaviour typical of the Islamophobic Harry’s Place.
I understand that as Muslims we should never use words such as hypocrite and kafir, words so commonly used by HT when dominated by the likes of Omar Bakri Mohammad and Ed Hussain, against others and that to do so indicates a disease of the heart. The only denomination within Islam that promotes takfirism so widely are Ahmadi’s who, or so I have been told by Ahmadi’s, from their own texts regard all non-Ahmadi’s as Kafirs and Hypocrites. I have nothing against Ahmadi’s and am proud my circle of friends include adherents, but I cannot help noticing that many are very prone to neo conservatism (maybe for valid reasons given the degree of prejudice they suffer so widely) such as Munira Mirza – surely this is as relevant as “Islamism” in terms of what religious framework promotes certain ways of thinking which is something you seem obsessed with at Spitoon. Houraiya Ahmed are you an Ahmadi? I note the ease with which contributors here label those that don’t agree with them as hypocrites.
I accept to debate on this website but on the following terms:
1. The editorial team at Spitoon disclose their identities, seeing they indulge so readily in personal attacks the very bare minimum standards of fairness require that they do not hide behind false identities;
2. That the editorial team at Spitoon disclose their source of income and identify what organisations they are part of and the source of income for each of those organisations including the amounts received, it seems as though many here are likely to be paid to promote their type of views, this is relevant as to whether there is a conflict of interest;
3. The topics to be discussed are as follows:
i) Is “Islamism” a threat to the West;
ii) Is British Foreign policy a contributing factor to Muslim extremism and the terrorist threat facing Britain;
iii) Does Neo-conservatism promote Islamophobia;
4. Any other terms or amendments to the above to be mutually agreed.
Sincerely (for what sincerity is worth on Spitoon),
Abdurahman
Well Abdurahman, thank you for returning with a more measured tone here. I was actually in bed but was moved to get up and reply once I had seen that you posted here. Let me start by saying I wish to withdraw my claim that you are a ‘munafiq’. Certainly, the disgusting comments you made about Majid were enough to provoke such a response but I should have risen above it. I hope you will also have the decency to retract the hurtful and terrible comment you made about him.
The bits from your post which are addressed to Houriya I shall leave for her, but it was me who suggested the debate so I feel I should intervene on that point.
You say you agree to the debate, which is welcome news, but I think you are wise enough to know that we cannot accept your deflection tactic in the terms which you offer. You are a barrister yourself and so you know exactly what this tactic is that you seek to employ. You say that you are writing with sincerity (you signed off your post as such) and I am prepared to proceed on that basis. You also seek ‘mutual agreement’ for the terms of the debate so let’s clarify that now.
The thing about revealing our identities and sources of incomes and employers is just a diversion. The organisation of which you were temporary head (the Muslim Safety Forum) does not even answer questions about whether Azad Ali is still leading it these days. Similarly, the ENGAGE website is written anonymously with its source of income (like that of the MSF) undeclared. Should we insist on disclosure there too? Do you ask Inayat’s wife how much she charges as a ‘PVE consultant’ or suggest that her opinions are not as valid as yours because she works on PVE related matters, taking government funds which are part of its Contest strategy? You obviously don’t, so let’s not try to make out as though it matters here. I could also turn the table on you and ask which cases have you worked on recently? Who were your clients? Were you paid from the public purse (e.g. legal aid)?
For your benefit let me state that I do not receive any public funds and do not work on PVE projects as a consultant or anything else. None of this is however relevant to anything we have to debate.
Ideas are judged on merit alone. As a barrister I suspect you already know this. Let’s drop the sideshow and get on with the debate.
I think your topic suggestions are interesting. I think it would be fair if you proposed 2 topics (you have proposed 3 so far – for what it’s worth, I think the first 2 are good) and I should be allowed to propose another 2 topics. That gives us 4 issues to explore. Would you be agreeable to that?
I can also assure you that your posts will be posted on the Spittoon without any changing or editing from any of us here so you don’t need to worry about any misrepresentation. They will be posted up just as other guest posts are.
Shikwa
“You are a barrister yourself and so you know exactly what this tactic is that you seek to employ.”
No I don’t know what tactic I am seeking to employ, enlighten (or at least humour) me. I just want transparancy and accountability, it is a fundamental principle of democracy that public investigation is carried out openly for all to see. It simply does not make sense that a party hides his identity.
I am willing to disclose my affiliations and the sources of funding of all the organisations I am a member. I am the Chairman of the MSF not Azad Ali and am more then willing to tell you what income, if any it receives.
I am not seeking to debate with Tehmina so I have no reason to ask her how much she charges for PVE work, similarly I have nothing to do with iengage. Given that these matters are so important to you is all the more reason why you should disclose – otherwise you appear to be hiding something for a very material reason. Given Houriya Ahmeds employment seemingly as an Islamophobic/neocon propagandist I wouldn’t settle for anything less then openness, transparancy and accountability – the very fundamentals of free speech and democracy.
Hey Inayat, when the Khalifa comes, what will be the punishment for heroin smuggling?
Jafar – this is ridiculous. People have debates and discussions on forums all the time without revealing their identities. I suspect you are less interested in debate and more interested in exposing people who write here and getting your chum bungles to go on a propaganda mission against them.
Debate ideas or do one.
As for your topics:
1) Is Islamism a threat to the West – No it is a threat to the entire world, especially Muslims who have been fighting them for decades and consistently vote against them
2) British Foreign policy – yes it is a contributing factor but sole focus on foreign policy is misleading
3) Neo-conversativism – i’m not sure your ilk even know what this term means or who it refers to. There is a broad sepctrum of neo-cons and some are indeed anti-muslim
Hmmm.
Jafar,
“I gave you the benefit of doubt in assuming you may be a normal individual who was somehow persuaded to adopt a neo-conservative/facist world-view that seems to dominate Spitoon. But your response suggests otherwise.”
Normal? May I ask what gives you the authority to decide who is now ‘normal’ and who is not?
Persuaded to adopt neo-conservative/fascist world view? Can you please pin point exactly how my comment to you, and how any of my blog posts here or any other writings are neo-conservative and fascist? That is assuming you do actually understand what neo-conservatism is, if you do not, then please read up on it first from an academic journal or other reputable source, not wikipedia. Can you also please provide exact examples how ‘neo-conservative/fascists’ views dominate the Spittoon? But again, first do a quick read up on neo-conservative and fascism. Is there a dummy guide to these concepts?
“I stated that I could not understand how “those with proper careers”, i.e. who are not paid propagandists, could carry neo-conservative Islamophobic views. Your response suggests you are paid to promote such views and not only you but “all of us who write on the Spittoon”.”
Huh? I actually said – “insulting all of us who write on the Spittoon for supposedly not having proper jobs and receiving PVE money (when all your friends are proud to receive it)” – they key word here is supposedly. Please explain to me how you came to conclude from my response to you, with evidence, how any one of us who write on the Spittoon are paid to promote ‘such’ views, whatever those ‘such’ views are?
“Tell us normal people?” you say. I write on the Spittoon in a personal capacity. I do not write on the Spittoon to defend the views of those whom I work for or anyone else for that matter. If you are so concerned about Douglas Murray’s views, the work that the Centre for Social Cohesion does, then please direct your questions to admin@socialcohesion.co.uk, or debate him your self. But I have to reiterate again, what gives you the authority to divide people into ‘normal’ or ‘abnormal’ categories?
Do you regard those who criticise Islamism, whether it be on this blog or other, as islamophobes, a serious accusation to throw around without a shred of evidence? What about Muslims who criticise Islamism (btw I regard Islamism as a fascist ideology), are they also islamophobes?
“Houraiya Ahmed are you an Ahmadi? I note the ease with which contributors here label those that don’t agree with them as hypocrites.” Huh? I called you a hypocrite because you use as ammunition for critique, whenever anyone here criticises Islamism and criticises you or your friends, OH they MUST be getting PVE money – to paraphrase. That is hypocrisy to me. None of us who write here get any sort of government money whatsoever, not that it should matter in the first place, seeing that your friends get it, right? And how on earth does it matter whether I am Ahmadi or not? Oh because according to you Ahmadi’s supposedly have neoconservative views? Two things, how are MY views neoconservative and how prejudiced! Funny really, that the only way you think you can box me up into a neat little explanation of why I am the way I am must be because I am Ahmadi! How absurd. Human beings are actually quite complicated Jafar. Please keep guessing.
Jafar, if you were so concerned and curious about my normality, then why would you add me on facebook to figure it out? Could you not ask me questions directly, with an open mind? You have my email address, provided on this site. You could read my blog posts which is actually better than facebook since it actually shows what I think. And do not claim that you have been asking questions now, because your questions are riddled with absurd assumptions about me.
Also, why have you not apologised for insulting another man’s wife in your futile attempts to ‘expose’ Shikwa? So distasteful. Do you think that is something a decent man, as one would assume you are, should be saying? Why are you not apologising?
Looking forward to your response.
Jafar,
You amaze me.
I am not Ahmadi but I do know Ahmadis are not neo-conservatives! that is one the most ridiculous things you have stated so far. Care to back that statement up with references?
Are you assuming Houriya is an Ahmadi because her last name is Ahmed?
Your attack on on Houriya is pathetic and not worth commenting on but I do have a problem with your claims on believing in freedom of speech. You really believe in free speech right? well let’s see what your ideological master ‘Maulana Maudoodi’ (founder of Jamaat-e-Islami) has to say about free speech and democracy:
“In our domain we neither allow any Muslim to change his religion nor allow any other religion to propogate it’s faith”
(Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, Murtad ki Saza Islami Qanun Mein, Lahore Islamic Publications Ltd, 1981 8th Edition, Pg 32)
“It (Jamaati-Islami) is not a missionary organisation or a body of preachers or evangelists, but an organisation of god’s troopers”
(Maulana Maudoodi, Haqiqat-i-Jihad, (Lahore: Taj Company Ltd, Pg 58)
So you guys fancy yourselves as god’s troopers? and no other religion is allowed to propogate it’s faith right? so much for free speech!
Oh and on the issue of women Maudoodi has this to say:
“…Islam forbids this, It says the real place of women is the house and she has been exempted from outdoor duties so that she may lead a dignified and peaceful life at home and carry out her domestic responsibilities effciently. She has been allowed to go out of the house to fulfil her genuine needs, but whilst going out she must observe complete modesty. Neither should she wear glamorous clothes and attract attention, nor should she cherish the desire to display the charms of the face and the hand, nor should she walk in a manner which may attract attention of others. Moreover she should not go out wearing such ornaments as jingle and please other people. She should not speak without necessity, and if she has to speak she should not speak in a sweet and soft voice. If women observe these laws and limits she may go out of the house as and when required.
(Abul Ala Maudoodi – Purdah and the status of Women in Islam – Taken from: http://www.al-islamforall.org- Pg 140)
Care to explain/elaborate on what kind of free speech and democracy you believe in? what rights do women have in your warped worldview?
(By the way i’m not Maajid either)
Oh come on Democracy is only good if Islamists win.
Although I profoundly disagree with Houriya Ahmad’s clearly amateurish analysis and arguments, I commend her for using her real name unlike the other cowards on this site.
Just for you, here is a definition of Neo-conservatism:
“Neo-conservatism can be considered a liberal political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, which supports actively using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.”
(Polity, 2008 Robinson, Paul. Dictionary of International Security. Polity, 2008. p. 135)
(Fiala, Andrew. The Just War Myth. Rowman & Littlefield. 2008. p. 133)
(Vaughn, Stephen L. Encylcopedia of American Journalism. CRC Press, 2007 p. 329)
Your ideological masters have lots of blood on their hands. Especially when they tried to use American economic and military power “to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries”. You seem to defend this ideology, I am sure all neutral readers will be asking why!??
Abdul Rehman – is that your name and are you prepared to reveal more about who you are?
Who is defending this ideology?
How is it any different to the HT Islamist ideology which seeks to enforce its values on the entire world through military force?
Are you not being a hypocrite by condemning their use of force for the sake of a set of beliefs when that is that you believe in anyway.
Have Islamist not got ‘blood on their hands’?
Abdul Rehman, thank you for providing that definition of Neoconservatism. If you could show how it can be applied to me (I’ll give you a helping, I always was against military intervention in Iraq) then I would be very grateful. Just thinking that liberal democratic values are a good idea does not make you a Neoconservative, it makes you a democratic liberal.
So it is not ‘Neoconservatives’ that the Spittoon wants to defend (although they also have a right to privacy, which Idrees does not respect), rather it is the people who have been smeared (with that description and more on neoconeurope) because Idrees happens to disagree with them.
Yossarian – you can’t possibly talk about politics, only HT understand politics everyone else must be a student of Rashad.
Abu Wanabe,
“Abdul Rehman – is that your name and are you prepared to reveal more about who you are?” –>Yes that is my name. The onus is on the “reporters” to reveal their names and profiles, as they are the ones initiating accusations on this site . Reveal your identities if you want to be taken seriously.
“Who is defending this ideology?” –>You and Houriya are imlplicitly defending neo conservatism. Evidence is in clear display.
“How is it any different to the HT Islamist ideology which seeks to enforce its values on the entire world through military force?” This question is incorrect as your notion of “Islamism”, as proven in my other posts, is subjective and used blindly, again, for the sake of political correctness.
“Are you not being a hypocrite by condemning their use of force for the sake of a set of beliefs when that is that you believe in anyway.” –>Please show proof that “I” believe this?
“Have Islamist not got ‘blood on their hands’?” –> Again your confused definition of “Islamism” leads you to asking questions which are defined by the desire to be politically correct.
Abdul Rehman,
If you had your way and the Khilafah is created (god forbid), it will be part HT’s foreign policy to wage an offensive war against the whole world, which HT consider’s dar al harb, in order to force all nation state to join HT’s super state. They will have to either willingly embrace HT’s version of Islam and join the Khilafah state or they will be forced to accept it and forced to join through jihad. If any part of the Islamic ‘ummah’, which HT considers a political and not a religious bloc, decides to break away from the rule of the Khalifah, then it will be permissible to have civil war even if it includes the killing of millions of Muslims.
Do you agree and believe with what I just said in its entirety?
Knowing you, you would probably evade the question. How is this any different to the description of neo-conservatism you just gave – they use power (which includes soft and hard power) to spread their values, as Abu wanabe said. HT would use military power to spread its values. At least democracy and freedom are values millions of people want, value and aspire to have. No one wants another dictatorship like your Khilafah state, and no one wants to be ruled by fascists except you HT folk!
Seerat, I have already dealt with this issue on the link about what the Shiekh AQZ said. Read it.
Err no you haven’t that was another evasive answer which deflected attention in the typical HT way.
Houriya – how many Muslims have you bumped into someone who said “hmmm I think people of our religion should be prevented from having any rights”. Zero. How many black people would you find working for the BNP – equivalent to Houriya working for Douglas Murry. Zero. You are about as abnormal, heartless and insincere as anyone can get.
This site is incredible, almost every point made is internally inconsistent.
Raziq you say my linking Houriya with neo-con Douglas Murray is pathetic – why? Would you have someone from the BNP or NF on your editorial team. Then you say I follow Maudaudi – what planet are you on? What made you think that? The nature of you narrow minded bigots clothing yourselves as defenders against “Islamism” (which is a far more vague definition then neo-con) is repulsive.
My experience of neo-conism is that it is Zionism clothed as Western liberal politics and singularly dedicated to justifying Israel’s actions indirectly by dehumanising their victims as “Islamist terrorists”. Hence the plethora of well funded organisations who condemn “Islamism” – didn’t Quilliam get £3 million from Govt not £1 million – comeon – everyone want to know – tell us Shika and Abu. What about all the blood money it got from Arab dictators? Thats’ why I don’t regard Muslims working in the “anti-Islamism” industry as having proper jobs – they don’t, in the words of one Spitoon commentator they are prostituting themselves for blood money.
Abdurahman Jafar, have you taken a trick out of neoconeurope’s book? Are you making shit up? What sources do you have for Quilliam getting £3 million? Any?
Brother Jafar,
You make many fair points. However, can you tell us how much money you made from your involvement in the PVE-funded “Redbridge Forum against Extremism and Islamophobia’ before your contract with them was abruptly terminated after the Mike Gapes “incident”?
Al-Masri
Abu Wannabe Arab,
You are quite right, I clearly know nothing about Islam and politics as I have not signed up to a group which tells you what to think on all the key issues. My bad.
Blood money? You mean the government has one pot for bloodmoney which it gives to Quilliam Foundation and another one, not blood money for MCB and Muslim Safety Forum. I guess with the police and civil servants, government get’s that out of the other pots of money, not the special blood money pot?!
Nonesense! How much money have you and your sister organisations recieved in the last few years then? Oh you see counter terrorism as a bad thing, and moneis spent on it as a bad thing? Or is that like your mate Bungles, only bad when he and his mrs are’t getting it?
Real jobs? And ethical funds? So please tell me what you do for a living and if it involves being paid either by government/tax payers, criminals or innocent people? Or are you an ambulance chaser?
You obviously also think it is ok to kill women and children as long as they are zionists? Talk about demonisation?!
Do you even know what neo-conservative idoelogy actually is? Do you wish to enlighten us all?
Are you saying teh British government subscribes to neo-con ideology and being anti-Islamist is being neo-con?
Guys, round 2 of taking the pee out the spittoon site has begun on http://intellectualmuslim.blogspot.com WITH PICTURES!!!
Haha, is that what faisal really looks like??
what a basket, i always thought that those boring articles are written by a boring old fart, good to know i wasn’t so wrong!!
shikwa’s pic is funny, especially the thing about the Mrs, no wonder he’s on this site commenting more often than not, Maybe he should fill the spot on the matrimonials page where Jafar took his ad off from. lol
I’ve already said I am more then willing to declare any income of myself and the organisations I work for if Quilliam and Spitton do the same. I still haven’t got a response. If you are so interested lets get on with it and stop flaffing around.
If you are funded to do legitimate community work of course there is no problem with that. All community organisations have alegitimate right to recieve funding to carry out such work. Muslim organisations that do such work recieve tupence, and even have that taken away if they question foriegn policy.
Lets be serious, Quilliam got a blank cheque because of their willingness to go on and on about Islamism being the greatest threat thereby justifying the war on terror and Israeli genocide – that’s why they got millions, that’s what makes it blood money and that’s why they are too scared to reveal their sources.
Spitoon hinding behind false identities reminds me of those “Muslims” who fabricated evidence for Policy Exchange in their “expose” of “Islamist” literature in Britain. The false excuses that they live in hideous Musim countries that would persecute them for being pro-Israel really sums it up, they’re not just hiding identities but the truth.
If there is an ounce of sincerity, open up or shut up.
BTW Shikwa is more then welcome to my ID and password on the marriage site, save him dipping into his blood funds. But it may prove fruitless as the pillock would probably hide his identity.
Also for the record, I didn’t insult anyones wife, just asked Shikwa how his was and he went ape shit saying how insulted he was that I had insulted Majid Nawaz whose wife had divorced him – hmmmm, most revealing. As Shikwa is official spokesperson and emotion relayer for Majid Nawaz may be he can explain the relevance of his wife divorcing him to the discussion on “Islamism”? Couldn’t guess why Shikwa would do that – it’s got everyone whose not in on the little secret wondering. Coupled with Spitoons automated defence and venomous shrill at anyone who questions Quilliam funding, many could reasonably conclude it has something to do with his neocon views, that’s just a guess of course but the way it has been brought up by others on this site one cannot help but draw such conclusions.
Picture this, Shikwa’s first post-divorce blind date:
Shikwa: “I always use protection.”
Unfortunate girl: “But a fucking mask !+#*?”
Alls well that ends well, this blog began with a bit of harmless fun and ends with the same. Good night all.
Intellectual Muslim is just Mr Traditional Islamist who has realised that the TI site has now been disgraced. So how is it going Mr TI? How is the receding hairline and rice belly these days? How is Bro A and Sis F? Zafar Iqbal and Sharif the mad scientist still good pals?
Bye Jafar hope to see you against soon
its amazing how the infamous 6 at the spittoon, remain silent at the funny article posted on the IM Blog, Faisal, if your peeping, nows a good time to visit the blog and look at the things they’re going to approach your employer with!!
Abu Wannabe Arab – RE: How is the receding hairline and rice belly these days?
I think that you think that I’m Faisal, which explains your confusion and frustrations on this site. Your poor eyesight attests to you sexual frustrations manifesting in the dialogue between you and Jafar above.
Bible Basher.
Please refrain from posting the same comment on multiple threads.
Thank you,
Yossarian
Am I alone in detecting rather a lot of repressed “passion”, in Mr Jaffar’s recent contributions to this blog?
It seems timely for us to remind him that it is narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) once said: ‘There is nothing I fear for my ummah more than the deed of the people of Loot.’”
And we all know what happened to them.
Come on Yossarian – it took him hours to write that, you can’t expect him to produce different posts.
Why don’t you lot all get together and have a couple of bouts in the ring to settle it like hombres?
I’ll call Joe Pyle and get it set up if you like
x
Shooter
Even for Spitton this is low- delving into people’s personal lives over things that have no bearing in his politics.
The brother wants to get married -whats wrong with that?
Or is marriage not progressive enough for you?
I agree Shafa – let the brother get married in peace.
where do people get this crap from? did the holy prophet rape a nine year old girl? no he didn’t he married her when she was young but they consummated the marriage much later, it was commonplace for young girls to be married to older men in those days. I don’t get where people get all these skewed notions from, why not read the historical accounts yourself instead of saying offensive things about which you have no understanding?