Anjem Choudary vs Douglas Murray
Global Issues Society will be hosting a debate between Anjem Choudary, who will argue that Sharia law should take precedence because it is “divine”, and Douglas Murray (Centre for Social Cohesion, Director), who will argue that British law supercedes. The debate will take place on the 17th of June 2009 (click on the poster image for venue details and timing).
This will be the first time that Anjem Choudary will be speaking as the new UK head of al-Muhajiroun. Exiled hate preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed set up this foul, fringe and extreme Islamist group in 1996 and was it previous leader. The group disbanded in November 2004 before the government could ban it. Now they have re-launched, and unfortunately, the group is still legal.
Please do come to this event and support the motion against Choudary, and let’s challenge him and his followers.
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I do not believe that Al Muhajiroun is legal.
You cannot escape a ban, merely by changing the name of an organisation.
Yes, it is difficult to understand the government’s reasoning on this one – even if they disbanded. The Gov should have banned the name of the organisation nevertheless. But I also think they should ban these bunch of people from forming or creating any group together as they will just keep changing group names, though I am not sure how that can legally work.
But when you talk about changing the name of an organisation – I assume you mean the group name al-Muhajiroun? If so, they never changed the name of this organisation, they just discontinued using the group name in 2004, that’s how they have been able to re-use and re-launch it…
@ David T, are you sure about that?
Does the statute account for that reality? I’m not entirely sure it does, and it would be difficult to construct the legislation (Terrorism Act) in that way, especially in a UK court…
Al-Muhajiroun disbanded in late 2004; the proposal to proscribe that organisation (whatever name they were using) only came up as a realistic idea after 7/7, and was enacted in 2006. So al-Muhajiroun was never proscribed, only two of its successor groups. It just illustrates the superficiality of proscription as a policy.
RE: Houriya – June 15 2009, 12:17 pm
I also think they should ban these bunch of people from forming or creating any group together
Oh? Where’s your so-called “freedom of speech” now? Western double-standards strike yet again.
Bilal
Come back and talk to us when Houriya starts using violence and intimidation to shut down freedom of speech – like your boys in al-Muhajiroon are quick to do.
al-Muhajiroon double-standards strike yet again.
Faisal
Is the debate in Holborn based on violence and intimidation? No. Rather Al-Muhajiroun organised it, and it’s open and for everyone to attend.
Bullshit by Faisal the coconut house-slave/Zionist sycophant/prostitute strikes yet again.
Surely even al-Macaroons are not stupid enough to set fire to Conway Hall after they lose the debate? But I could be wrong.
No action is too stupid for the psychotics and unstable lunatics from the Anjem Choudary fanclub.
“Al-Macaroons” is your best response to my exposing the contradictory-to-reality bile you spew? Then you expect to win the debate tonight?
What a retard. I advise you to take your head out Ehud Olmert’s arsehole.
And I’m glad to see you removed “house-nigger” from the list of epithets you flung at me. It shows you have some decency. But not much.
Shall I define what a “straw man argument” is for you, Faisal?
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficial proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
I declare victory over Faisal the Zionist coconut “man”-whore.
Yes I know what a straw man is. But before you declare “victory”, what exactly is the straw man I’ve attacked here?
Bilal. How’s about you come back to us when you can argue without resorting to racist insults (coconut is a racist term) and have understood what Houriya actually said. What does it mean to ban a group for glorifying terrorism, like al-Ghuraba, if you’re going to let the exact same people do the exact same thing but under another name (Islam4UK/al-Macaroon)? Would you care to respond to that?
Well, since it’s obvious you are extremely stupid; let me spell it out for you.
Instead of acceding to the fact I exposed you for the Uncle Tom you are via proving your sentiments are contradictory to the reality; you went off on a tangent about the term “house-nigger” in trying to insinuate I am a racist; regardless of the fact that the semantics and context of it would yet again prove you to be a brainless prick.
you went off on a tangent about the term “house-nigger” in trying to insinuate I am a racist; regardless of whether the semantics and context of it would yet again prove you to be a brainless prick.
Technically speaking, that’s not a straw man argument. I merely pointed out that that it was good of you to have removed the racist term “house-nigger” from the long list of insults and colourful language you have used in this short exchange. Nor do I have to insinuate you’re a racist, since your use of “coconut”, another racist term as George rightly points out, speaks for itself.
Yes, it is a straw man argument. Your prolonging of it in referring to “coconut” proves this, as well as the fact you don’t have a leg to stand on.
What exactly is “the same thing”, George? Encouraging violent resistance against massacring rapists/”soldiers” who illegally invade Muslim lands (by their own law, let alone God’s)? What’s wrong with that, exactly?
As for banning groups who incite hatred. Why haven’t your pimps in number 10 banned the BNP? Western double-standards, yet again.
But I haven’t used the racist insults “house-nigger”, “house-slave”, “coconut” and “Uncle Tom”. You have.
Are all Al-Macaroons trained to be racists like you?
Once again; shall I define what a “straw man argument” is for you, Faisal?
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficial proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Al-Muhajiroun has members of various ethnic backgrounds. This is common knowledge.
Do the BNP have members of various ethnic backgrounds? If not, why not? You ignored my question (yet again). Why aren’t they banned?
As for insinuating I am a racist. I hope you don’t use expressions like “black sheep” and “black day”; because someone who is evidently shit at arguing like yourself might divert the topic on to misrepresenting the context and semantics of that during an exchange like this.
Once again; I declare victory over Faisal the Zionist coconut Uncle Tom “man”-whore.
Once again, this isn’t a stawman. I didn’t create the illusion of refuting your proposition by substituting it with a superficial proposition. You introduced a long list of offensive language and racist insults into the discussion all by yourself!
Once again; I declare victory over Faisal the Zionist coconut Uncle Tom “man”-whore.
And you’re still doing it!
Bilal,
Can you confirm whether or not in fact you are a member of Al Macaroon? Then we can continue this debate knowing exactly where you are coming from.
Can you stop deleting my posts? I take it you delete them because you are incapable of refuting them. I save them anyway.
Once again; shall I define what a “straw man argument” is for you, Faisal?
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficial proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Al-Muhajiroun has members of various ethnic backgrounds. This is common knowledge.
Do the BNP have members of various ethnic backgrounds? If not, why not? You ignored my question (yet again). Why aren’t they banned?
As for insinuating I am a racist. I hope you don’t use expressions like “black sheep” and “black day”; because someone who is evidently shit at arguing like yourself might divert the topic on to misrepresenting the context and semantics of that during an exchange like this.
Once again; I declare victory over Faisal the Zionist coconut Uncle Tom “man”-whore.
Faisal, it must burn looking in the mirror knowing you would gladly sell your own mother for a pat on the back by Neocons and Zionists; or have you been desensitised to it now?
Can you answer my question as well please Bilal?
Faisal,
It is a straw man argument as you are changing the subject onto my choice of words in attempt to falsely tar me as a racist. As for insinuating I am a racist; I hope you don’t use expressions like “black sheep” and “black day”; because someone who is evidently shit at arguing like yourself might divert the topic on to misrepresenting the context and semantics of that during an exchange like this.
BILAL
Answer the question
Where I am from is irrelevant. I won’t allow you to exercise your apparent and pathetic tactic of trying to “refute” me via changing the subject to tarring me with any stereotypical connotations to any answer I may give. Straw man argument.
I have neither agreed nor disagreed with your argument, however it will make things simpler if you first state your agenda. Here is mine – theocratic fascists like AM wish to force me to live under a law which is based on nothing but ‘revealed’ texts in which i do not believe. They have no respect nor interest in glorious human achivements in science and politics (liberal, pluaralistic democracies), and think that the answer to every question ever devised can be found in two religious texts, in which, again, i do not believe. Furthermore, AM are made up of a bunch of thugs, many of which have done stints in prison for violent offences, and who have found in the ideology of radical islam a convenient way to justify their moronic violent tendencies. Thugs like Abu Izzadeen, who jokes about the beheading of hostages in Iraq and insists that he loves death like we love life and who wants to die as a suicide bomber.
Oh, and by the way, stop saying ‘straw man’, it makes you sound a fool.
Here is mine – secularist fascists like you wish to force me to live under a law which is based on nothing but the expendable desires of fallible man, in which I do not believe. They have neither respect nor interest in societal moral fibre, their political achievements make up nothing but oppressive pogrom draconian legislation against Muslims, yet selectively liberal to Zionist fascists and glorifiers of terrorism (against Muslims worldwide). The “human achievements in science” they attribute to themselves are based on the works of Muslim Scientists and Mathematicians such as Al-Khawarizmi, and think that the answer to every question ever devised can be found in the discriminatory fallibility of man’s opinion. Which, again, I do not believe is correct. Furthermore, Zionists and Neocons are made up of a bunch of massacring, raping, pillaging, oppressing advocates in suits, many of which have embezzled money in the economy, and who have found in the ideology of Islamophobia a convenient way to justify their moronic abhorrent tendencies. From you people are mass murderers like Tony Blair who insist killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Muslim civilians is for some “greater good”.
Secular democracy is not perfect. But it’s a damn sight better that anything you can come up with. Again, I come back to my point, what about those who do not beleive in the revelations, why should they have to live like that. YOU can live any which way you like, but the problem with fascists like you is that you are not content to live crappy, unfulfilled lives on your own, forever swaying and gibbering nonsense, you also want to force your misery on everyone else. You are against ‘man made’ law because your ideology frowns on all human achievement, that is why we are zooming around space, and the Taliban dont even get to use toilet paper. A law which gives everyone a right to live how they like and which is based on provable ideas and concepts is far better than basing it on something which is only 1/6 of the world believe.
Oh, and by the way, stop calling yourself ‘The Great Satan’. It doesn’t make you “look like”, rather it simply makes you (beyond) a fool.
You’re just getting started? I haven’t even begun.
As for insinuating I am a racist; I hope you don’t use expressions like “black sheep” and “black day”; because someone who is evidently shit at arguing like yourself might divert the topic on to misrepresenting the context and semantics of that during an exchange like this.
Bilal, I haven’t insinuated you to be a racist, you’re doing a perfectly good job of it yourself. Tell me, do phrases like “house-nigger”, “Uncle Tom” and “coconut” fall from the lips of the Great Leader of Al-Macaroon?
why do you think Islamist parties the world over have to resort to violence to get their way? BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS THEM RUNNING THEIR COUNTRY. Look at election results in Lebanon, Iraq, Kuwait, Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Islamist parties have done terribly because their only answer to people’s problems is a Koran, they have nothing practical to offer. Stop wasting your life believing in a bunch of rubbish please, really mate YOU ARE WASTING YOUR LIFE, the sooner you realise this, the happier you will be
Is Malcolm X a racist against Black people now? Because I quoted the term ‘house-nigger’ that was coined by him. No, rather there was a context by which he meant it – and that same context applies to you.
The fact this particular topic is prolonging would almost make me pity you if you weren’t so pathetic.
That’s right, run along now boy
That’s your best response? I pity you.
Why is Islaam the fastest growing ideology being reverted to worldwide today?
Explain the Islamic Revolution in Iran?
You want to quote Pakistan – how do you explain the upsurge in the Swat Valley?
Why do you find “Islamism” is such a concern in the Muslim world to the point you have to send your armies over there, if what you say is true?
Democracy is contradictory to theocratic Shari’ah law because it alters the law based on the fallibility of man’s whims and desires. That is why apostates get into power; because if you look at the voting turnout rate in proportion to the population – you will find it is merely a minute fraction. Shari’ah law is fixed and not open to alteration.
Also, I am not your “mate”. You are a filthy kaafir and I hate you for the sake of Who created you.
Is Malcolm X a racist against Black people now? Because I quoted the term ‘house-nigger’ that was coined by him. No, rather there was a context by which he meant it – and that same context applies to you.
Except that this is 2009 not 1959. It’s been 40+ years since the civil rights movement. And furthermore, neither you nor Anjem Choudary are black. So you’re not qualified to use it without being a racist.
Try calling a black Muslim who is not a member of Al-Macaroon a “house-nigger” and then see what he has to say about your “context”.
“Boy”? I bet you like boys don’t you; being a filthy western infidel from amongst whom come rife numbers of paedophilic homosexuals.
“Also, I am not your “mate”. You are a filthy kaafir and I hate you for the sake of Who created you.”
LOL!! Oh MATE, that has made my day, I knew i could get you to show your true, hateful colours. You Islamists are all the same, full of hate and resentment. I wonder how long it takes you to resort to violence in a debate on the issue, about as long as your thuggish mates in AM.
Also, interesting how you refer to Islam as an ‘ideology’ rather than a religion.
Well then according to your logic; any idioms, euphemisms or expressions that come from the 1960s are obsolete to today just because of the date difference? What a retard.
Secondly, I couldn’t care less what non-Muslims such as you think; be they black or otherwise.
I care about what Muslims think; and if I coin an expression by which the context is commonly known (unless it’s used to brainless pricks like you) to make a point, then I will.
The only “boy” here is you, Faisal – and deep down you know it.
I take so much comfort in the fact that you lot are just too stupid and intellectually moribund to pose any real threat. Thanks for making me feel just that little bit safer. And, as i said before, you really have made my day!
So saying that you “hate” someone makes you a thug? Do you then demean anyone who hates paedophiles as being “thugs”?
Yes, I proudly proclaim that I do hate you and your ilk. I say that unashamedly with my head held high. And?
I care about what Muslims think; and if I coin an expression by which the context is commonly known (unless it’s used to brainless pricks like you) to make a point, then I will.
Yes, I can see that. Even if it means looking like a complete racist dickhead.
7/7 makes you feel safe, does it?
As for who is “intellectually moribound”; note it was you who copped out of any real debate after my response to your initial position. Faggot.
I don’t look like a complete dickhead. You using that avatar on the other hand, do.
And nothing, you guys are always your own worst enemies, it is just up to us to pick up the pieces and expose you for the fools you really are. As I demonstrated earlier, it took about ten minutes of civilised debate before you resorted to insults and name calling. Dont you see? You just danced to my tune ,sir. As you will be doing for the rest of your life, and as i said before, try not to waste it with this nonsense
By the way ‘The Great Satan’; it’s spelt “moribund” not “moribound”.
How ironic you call someone else intellectually moribund whilst being unable to spell moribund. What a twat.
oh, hitting me where it hurts, typos on a comment thread..
awww, now it’s my avatar that’s offending little al-Macaroon boy.
anyway, i did spell it right. Wow, gettin pretty desperate now ay Macaroon boy?
You see ‘The Great Satan’; we use people like you as props to expose the bullshit of your way of life.
That is why people embrace Islaam in droves.
Be sure to keep your rhetoric coming; I can use it as ammunition (metaphorically speaking, don’t shit yourself). Speaking of shitting yourself, I understand you people don’t use a bidet after taking a shit. That no doubt explains why you people stink of shit and have skid marks on your underpants (let alone toilets).
*high-fives The Great Satan*
*Great Satan hits the F-dog on the rebound, ooohh ya!*
Well done, you got permission to edit your posts/the house-nigger Faisal edited it for you.
That, to me, is what is desperate. As is that faggoted “*high-fives The Great Satan*”
“F-dog”? You “F” him “dog” style?
While screaming “ooohh ya!”?
Thank you now Bilal. The Great Leader needs his anus oiling before ‘The Big Debate’ and it’s your turn today.
Thats the other thing about you Islamists, you are so sexually perverted! What is your obsession with that, is it just that you are still a pissed off little virgin? Do us all a favour and go get laid, it may calm you down a bit and knock some sense into you…
“The Great Satan”
“The Great Leader”
Anyone see any similarities?
Then Faisal goes on to say:
“The Great Leader needs his anus oiling”
Consider this while bearing in mind:
“F-dog”
“ooohh ya!”
Then you call us “sexually perverted”? LOL.
you are clearly not ‘up’ on the lingo’s Bilal. Using the first letter of someone’s name and adding dog after is a way of showing comradery. I’m just way to cool for you….
Don’t drag your feet Bilal and don’t keep The Great Macaroon waiting.
Your responses are now so lame that you are no longer worthy of my presence.
I bid you both adieus.
Aaaaah Bilal – just take a chill pill now sir and lie on the coach. Now where shall we start, did mother not love enough, did she hit you hard when you were a child, did dad go missing for long periods of time or come home drunk. Did the big boys bully you at school, did the girls call you smelly and avoided playing with you.
Lets discuss these issues slowly now one by one and then we can all work out where the hate and anger is coming from.
Hey Bilal
Don’t go – lets discuss your way of life first. So how should we live our life according to you then ?
Waiting for your Dawah!
I am a whore and one day I fucked the milkman. 9 months later “Ibn Khaldun” popped out my hairy pussy. I neither know who nor where his biological father is – what I do know though is that his mother is a whore, my son’s nutsack hasn’t dropped yet and he is a homosexual that has a faggot orgy with his chav neighbour Bob and his dog 5 times a day.
“Lie on the coach?” Don’t you mean “couch”, you thick bastard?
Oh dear another upset child. Now sit down and we can discuss your problems too, where shall we start, did the teachers pick on you because you were a Muslim? Did they make you very angry and now you have to use foul language on websites? Oh dear.
Speaking of websites; my son likes to go to homosexual pornographic websites. He thinks being a homosexual might help him overcome the child molestation he was victim of all throughout his childhood by the 73 year old man next door.
There there undropped-nutsack, zoophilic faggot; it’s not your fault…
Another great ambassador for Al-Muhajiroon.
Bilal
That’s it boy – let the frustration out first and then we can talk about your psychological imbalance. Judging from your comments I guess it’s some sort of sexual problem you have.
So what is it:
Problems with your wife ?
Can’t wait for the 72 virgins?
Erectile dysfunction?
Need some one to speak to?
Let us know so we can direct you to the right organisation.
If you want to have a rant about me you are more then welcome to. That might be just the therapy you need. Let your anger out and see if it helps.
If not then jump off a cliff or something!
Who, me?
Speaking of erectile dysfunction; my son doesn’t have that. Unfortunately a “wife” is not in the equation however. Husband though, yes.
You see it started when they were on Spittoon. He met some young poof called “Faisal”.
They decided to meet up and they’ve been at it like faggot rabbits ever since.
He hates Muslims because they are the ones who threatened to throw him off the peak of the highest moutain due to him being such a filthy faggot. I would have agreed with them, if I wasn’t a bisexual myself.
That’s it boy – we are getting there….let it all out.
I’m guessing you don’t know who your mum is right? explains why you are obsessed with everyone else’s.
But please carry on, i’m hoping you will start making sense eventually.
Although I can’t see it happening anytime soon!
Wow, Bilal, what great Islamic etiquettes you have been taught.
Was this was your great Sheikh Omar Bakri taught you while his daughter practised pole-dancing in the background and Anjum Chaudhry rolled another spliff?
Is this the same great leader, Omar Bakri, who preached about Jihad against Israel and then, when he found himself faced by the might of the IDF in Lebanon he went running, crying, begging like a little girl to, er, Britain’s Royal Navy to save his fat ass. That was your Sheikh, right?
I think your dawah speaks for itself.
Apparently Bakri’s daughter is quite good at her chosen art, maybe she should do a special performance for the Macaroons to calm them all down a bit. Sexual frustrations can produce some strange symptoms.
I taught her all that she knows. She was my apprentice. Unfortunately it was my trying to “entertain” the Macaroon’s that got them so hate-filled towards the West in the first place, seeing as I’m such an ugly bitch and whore.
Don’t mind Shikwa. Shikwa just hates the Macaroons because they have an issue with people who don’t know who their father is. It’s not Shikwa’s fault I’m such a whore.
7/7 was a good day to shut all the incestuously-natured infidels like Shikwa up.
As for the IDF, funny how their “might” got humiliated by villagers on the hills of southern Lebanon.
So, even the villagers fought the IDF, but not the ‘great lion of Islam’ Omar Bakri? Hahaha. As for people not knowing who their mothers/fathers are – when was the last time Omar Bakri saw his daughter’s kids?
Bilal, every time you open your mouth that is, for us, the best argument against Islamism with your rudeness and insults. Are these the wonderful values that your sheikh has taught you?
I ask about when the last time Omar Bakri last say his daughter’s kids because I love kids. In fact I love kids a bit too much, to the point I fiddle them. Only if they’re boys though. Females don’t interest me.
Best. Thread. Ever.
Honestly, I’ve not laughed so hard in ages. Good ole al-margarine!
Yeah kind of funny and tragic at the same time, a bit like a Shakespeare play gone wrong with a modern Islamist twist.
@Ibn Khaldun – how about MacBakri?
Or Haramlet?
The Merchant of Menace himself!
I’ll get my coat…
Hey Grandson Bilal/Traditional Islamist/Ibn Adam
Have you discovered who your mum is yet? Try DNA testing
or:
Try asking the Pole Dancers Forum?
Have you checked she’s not one of Omar Bakri’s many concubines ? : )
Or ‘Andy’ Choudary’s bit on the side?
I’m sure you will find her soon. Then you can fulfil your Freudian fantasies with her.
Your Grandmother
PS: Actually forget looking for your mum and please help me first. If you know any frustrated Islamists who need a quick Halal shag please let me know! (Your mate Andy only lasted two minutes last time, he didn’t do anything for me. So please make it a stronger Islamist this time)
You know I only ask you these things when I’m desperate!
I Badly need a service!
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